Re: Wade's Historical Rank Among SGs
People are irrational here so I find myself defending him time after time on this website.
Here are some facts I've noticed about wade. During his athletic prime, the guy was an absolute beast. Other stars have had their game effected by great defenses but I have noticed that wade always does his thing and shines against tough defenses that other stars are limited by. I have noticed the celtic defense was able to slow down both kobe and lebron, wade ripped right through them and was able to get his shots off efficiently. Number two, wade is an extremely productive player, you can run your entire offense through him and he will not only score during crunch time but he will distribute and make plays for the entire team. Extremely productive player on defense too because of his ability to turn up the pressure with the help defense. We have all seen the crunch time steals and blocks.
Stylistically people always compare kobe to mj because of the mid-range shooting but if you ask me wade is far more similar to young MJ. It is obvious that he spent a lot of time watching and learning from MJ's slashing style and he clearly succeeded at it because his ability to get to the rim is the best the league has ever seen.
Another easy to overlook fact is the way he went toe to toe with lebron for all of lebron's prime. How many nba greats all time would be able to make this claim? Even when they joined up on the same team they were inseperable untill wade's knee started failing him.
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[QUOTE=selrahc]you guys are way overrating him... he sucks. if it wasnt for lebron and shaq he would have 0 championships and no one would even know who he is.[/QUOTE]
:applause: I hate to say this but...
YOU'RE RIGHT :kobe:
Re: Wade's Historical Rank Among SGs
I have him 4th. Few more good seasons and padding his resume and career statistics and he could move up to 3rd.
Drexler has no case over him. He wasn't as good, he crumbled during big moments, and he wasn't as good a scorer as Wade. Nor did he maintain a high level of play as long as Wade did. I'd take Gervin over Drexler.
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In 2008... ESPN did not even have him among the top 10 SGs
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-greatestsgs[/url]
I'm not sure what you think he accomplished since then that would dramatically change that
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[QUOTE=Money 23]I've been getting negged anonymously like crazy from some soft [()]s too
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You got negged by Stateofmind btw. We both did.
Every other post on this forum reads of a mental patient who just got access to a computer.
Wade and West are interchangeable. Deal w/ it nerd ragers. :oldlol:
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Jerry west was before our time but lets be real here. Ask yourself this. If jerry west played on the same team as lebron would people give him 1a/1b status? Think about that.
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[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]I'm sure putting up 3 dominant seasons in a row after that would not change any perspective.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Pretty low standards for "dominant". :confusedshrug:
008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
Re: Wade's Historical Rank Among SGs
[QUOTE=red1]Jerry west was before our time but lets be real here. Ask yourself this. If jerry west played on the same team as lebron would people give him 1a/1b status? Think about that.[/QUOTE]
West's jumpshot was wet. Dirk Nowitzki 2011 run wet. I haven't thought Wade was Lebron's 1B since 2011 tbh.
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[QUOTE=StateOfMind12]Sorry buddy, I didn't neg him. I usually rep him when I get the chance but I had to spread so I negged clowns like yourself.
Why would I neg one of the few posters I take seriously on here?[/QUOTE]
What in that post warranted a neg? Quit being a bitch hiding anonymously.
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[QUOTE=red1]Jerry west was before our time but lets be real here. Ask yourself this. If jerry west played on the same team as lebron would people give him 1a/1b status? Think about that.[/QUOTE]
You should have ended at "before our time".
He was in an era with inferior training knowledge, dieting, etc. So dropping him in today's time to see how he would fare is not entirely fair. Who knows how good the Logo could have been with an HGH jaw..
A player should simply be measured in how they stacked up against and performed within the rest of the league in their day.
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[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Pretty low standards for "dominant". :confusedshrug:
008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)[/QUOTE]
He should have been on the first team in 2010-2011 as well. Not his fault people that vote are stupid.
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I was hoping that RG got banned permanently. Guess not though.
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[QUOTE=red1]Jerry west was before our time but lets be real here. Ask yourself this. If jerry west played on the same team as lebron would people give him 1a/1b status? Think about that.[/QUOTE]
The most clutch player in NBA history would be 1a in the playoffs if Lebron was on his team...
Jerry West is firmly #3, Wade isn't touching him, era doesn't even matter - Outside of a 2-3 year stretch of being neck and neck Wade is simply not as good a player as West - his prime was just as potent but it was much shorter than West's. If West played with Lebron he'd be just as good as when he was playing along side Baylor in the 60's w/o question, and he'd be better than this current version of Wade. He'd be dominating playoffs with virtually unrivaled elevation of his game particularly if Lebron slips as in 2011. If you think West was lesser because of his era than you don't understand Jerry, or basketball history in general and you shouldn't be commenting on either subject. West is the 3rd greatest and 3rd best shooting guard in NBA history, and he's probably the best combo 1 and 2 in NBA history because he also proved to be a league leading point guard at the end of his career. Something I don't think Wade can do.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHFt3PljyA[/url]
[url]http://youtu.be/OEzwR1a8KuA[/url]
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[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]You should have ended at "before our time".
He was in an era with inferior training knowledge, dieting, etc. So dropping him in today's time to see how he would fare is not entirely fair. Who knows how good the Logo could have been with an HGH jaw..
A player should simply be measured in how they stacked up against and performed within the rest of the league in their day.[/QUOTE]
Career-wise yeah it is very debatable but when you look at who played at the highest level it would look something like
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Mcgrady
With jerry west coming after a couple of other guys. Even Iverson, Drexler, and RayRay probably reached a higher level. Did they have an advantage because of the fact that they came in a more favourable era? Yeah but that doesn't change any of the other facts. This is why it is futile ranking players that came before the 80s. 80s onwards - any player can be directly compared. Bird and Magic would ball in this era to the same extent but I don't think the same can be said for many of the players that came before
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[QUOTE=Money 23]Pretty much how I feel.
If LeBron didn't no show 2011 Finals, Wade would've easily wrapped up his 2x FMVP and I think I would put him at number 3 SG spot all-time.
That would be:
2x FMVP
3x NBA Champ[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Wade is #3 behind Kobe and MJ.