Re: Is Dwight even considered one of the "strongest" players of all time?
[QUOTE=kNicKz]stopped reading right here[/QUOTE]
your an idiot, he's 6'9 AT MOST without sneakers. Always subtract a '1 or 2 off a player's listed height. Dwight doesn't even look as tall to begin with.
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He looks huge to me.. is it his wingspan that makes up for it?
I think talking about heights without shoes is stupid, because all players heights.. every website that has NBA heights, it's always with shoes?
Are we all supposed to check every players draft tests to judge a players height?
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dwight is obviously a beast in the weightroom but shaq was a different breed
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[QUOTE=AussieG]He looks huge to me.. is it his wingspan that makes up for it?
I think talking about heights without shoes is stupid, because all players heights.. every website that has NBA heights, it's always with shoes?
Are we all supposed to check every players draft tests to judge a players height?[/QUOTE]
It really only matters when you talk before about 1985 or after. Comparing 6'-10 Bill Russell to today's centers is invalid.
Just know when you hear an announcer say "a legitimate 7 footer" immediately he is lying through his teeth
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I know its not a great thing to compare to but I remember seeing a video of Howard boxing out when he came back from injury this season and he was just throwing around Sacre with 1 arm. Yes I know its only Sacre, but he's still a grown man that's a 7 footer and Howard was throwing him around like a puppet all while coming off a serious back surgery.
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[QUOTE=Pinkhearts]Looks like people still buy into a player's billed height. Dwight measured 6'9, but he's probably grown an inch since being drafted. It's funny though people still say Durant is 6'11 when he is listed at 6'9[/QUOTE]
Dwight still looks shorter than legitimate 6-10 players (like 6-10.25 w/o shoes Chris Bosh)
an inch of Growth isn't impossible, but Dwight still looks like he's close to 6-9. Most people don't grow "an inch" in height after the age of 18/19 unless they were a late bloomer with a visible growth spurt, so if he grew at all it would be fractions of an inch at best I think - this is all just based on comparing him with the players who've also been measured w/o shoes of course.
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Also, to be fair, it should be pointed out that Dwight has pretty high shoulders for a "6-9" player, so his body frame is a bit bigger than the height to the top of his head would suggest. Jerry West was built that way too, he looks/plays bigger than the height to his head would suggest.
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Dwight still looks shorter than legitimate 6-10 players (like 6-10.25 w/o shoes Chris Bosh)
an inch of Growth isn't impossible, but Dwight still looks like he's close to 6-9. Most people don't grow "an inch" in height after the age of 18/19 unless they were a late bloomer with a visible growth spurt, so if he grew at all it would be fractions of an inch at best I think
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Prince was listed at 6'9" draftexpress
[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/tayshaun-prince-3997/[/url]
Dwight's got at least 2" on him.
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Prince was listed at 6'9" draftexpress
[url]http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/tayshaun-prince-3997/[/url]
Dwight's got at least 2" on him.[/QUOTE]
Prince was never measured at the draftexpress, thus all you see is a "listed" height which is not the same thing as a "height w/o shoes". If you look at the image, he's standing right in front of 6-7.75 Boozer and right behind 6-10.25 Bosh and looks to be virtually identical in height to boozer, about 6-8. Which would explain his 6-9 list height seeing as how players on average are listed between 1-2" above w/o shoes height. Don't know how you can say something like "Dwight's got at least 2 inches on him" either considering Dwight looks between the height of Prince/Boozer (~6-7.76/6-8) and Bosh (6-10.25). With a legitimate guestimate that actually pegs Dwight right around what draftexpress measured him... in the 6-9 ballpark, No?
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He'd get punked by the Otis Thorpes, Michael Cages, Xavier McDaniel's of years past.[/QUOTE]
Dwight is stronger than all of these guys. They all have that tough guy reputation and they may get under his skin and f*ck with his head but none of them will push him around
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]He'd get punked by the Otis Thorpes, Michael Cages, Xavier McDaniel's of years past.[/QUOTE]
You think so?
I dunno he plays LaMarcus A real hard and Aldridge ain't no joke. My respect level went way up for d-12 him just movin K Love out of his way, too.
Love is freakish strong.
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Cavsftw, you think back then they measured players w/o shoes, but now they measure them with shoes, am I correct?
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[QUOTE=red1]Dwight is stronger than all of these guys. They all have that tough guy reputation and they may get under his skin and f*ck with his head but none of them will push him around[/QUOTE]
lol he's getting told from all directions
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Dwight looks stronger than Wilt
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Re: Is Dwight even considered one of the "strongest" players of all time?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Cavsftw, you think back then they measured players w/o shoes, but now they measure them with shoes, am I correct?[/QUOTE]
No, not necessarily, I think each player needs to be looked up on an individual basis because there are cases of "off" list heights from [I]every[/I] era and I hate "assuming" any 1 player should be considered as having their height listed honestly simply because they came from the past vs modern players.
But if you'd like I can post all the "w/o shoes" heights I've obtained of players past/present and you can compare - I actually keep track of measurement data of past players I've found on an excel sheet. Generally speaking, players from say, the 60's and 70's, were more likely to be listed close too or at their actual height w/o shoes with usually no more than 1/4-3/4" of variance (and it can go + or -) vs today there is usually a 1 or 2 inch inflation with only extremely rare cases of players being listed "at" their actual height w/o shoes and almost zero cases of a player being listed [I]below[/I] their height with shoes. And the reasoning to me is clear:
[IMG]http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/4/44/Converse_all-stars.jpg[/IMG]
+ Players aren't making huge amounts of money... the league isn't as heavily invested in promoting itself trying to sell the players as "super" athletes.
[IMG]http://www.lebron10devastator.com/images/air%20jordan%20shoes/108308-012-air-jordan-2-retro-countdown-orange-white.jpg[/IMG]
+ Players are "million dollar investments"... the players need to sell themselves as super athletes upon draft time, and the league needs to sell them as super athletes while in the league - so any embellished list height is generally taken with open arms today - where as in the past there was no need/support for it
Re: Is Dwight even considered one of the "strongest" players of all time?
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]No, not necessarily, I think each player needs to be looked up on an individual basis because there are cases of "off" list heights from [I]every[/I] era and I hate "assuming" any 1 player should be considered as having their height listed honestly simply because they came from the past vs modern players.
But if you'd like I can post all the "w/o shoes" heights I've obtained of players past/present and you can compare - I actually keep track of measurement data of past players I've found on an excel sheet. Generally speaking, players from say, the 60's and 70's, were more likely to be listed close too or at their actual height w/o shoes with usually no more than 1/4-3/4" of variance (and it can go + or -) vs today there is usually a 1 or 2 inch inflation with almost zero cases of a player being listed below their height with shoes. And the reasoning to me is clear:
[IMG]http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/4/44/Converse_all-stars.jpg[/IMG]
+ Players aren't making huge amounts of money... the league isn't as heavily invested in promoting itself trying to sell the players as "super" athletes.
[IMG]http://www.lebron10devastator.com/images/air%20jordan%20shoes/108308-012-air-jordan-2-retro-countdown-orange-white.jpg[/IMG]
+ Players are "million dollar investments"... the players need to sell themselves as super athletes upon draft time, and the league needs to sell them as super athletes while in the league - so any embellished list height is generally taken with open arms.[/QUOTE]
Sure, you should post the heights of the legends, that would be cool.
I've already seen your heights of WIlt and SHaq, but what about players like MJ, Magic, Kobe, ect?