[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: literally the opposite is true[/QUOTE]
Show me....
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: literally the opposite is true[/QUOTE]
Show me....
Bird is BARELY better. I'd still take LeBron over Bird as a better player though.
[QUOTE=pauk]Show me....[/QUOTE]
Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...
You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.
CavaliersFTW look at these passes for example:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkaS5xK1RSI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA&feature=player_detailpage#t=522[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aATBTl-oKE[/url]
You wont find any footage of Bird throwing the ball at that velocity with the slightest movement of his wrist..... unless he heaved the ball like a baseball pitcher...
You need just give up denying this, really doesnt make sense... its like denying a blue pen being blue, because you would prefer the red pen to be blue....
It doesnt matter who you choose here in this department, but Lebron definitely has more snap in his passes...
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...
You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.[/QUOTE]
Replace the "Lebron homer" with "Lebron hater" and aim that post to yourself.... then we have a more accurate description....
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...
You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.[/QUOTE]
Stop talking about consensus. Consensus is that wilt would still be the most athletic basketball player in today's NBA and he had to play in a league which was way less athletic as compared to today and yet consensus is that he didn't accomplish half of what he should have.
I have never put lebron on top of even kobe on any serious all time list i have posted and i respect bird way more than lebron.
You have to take pace of the game into account when you talk about passing and lebron plays in a much slower league as compared to when bird played.
Pauk is biased and so are you. Anyone on this board will tell that both of you are incredibly biased. he blindly love lebron and you blindly hate him. at least in this thread he is posting videos while you are posting smileys. both pauk and you are not troll from what i have seen and that is why i am replying to you.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. [B]Show a child[/B] a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fp5_e5aPqUY/SVkWA1zJUbI/AAAAAAAAG-4/mKu3y1vyEbY/s400/deadhorse2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Luckily we are not asking the kids but the adults:lol
[QUOTE=pauk]Very identical (not because of that video, i have seen an unhealthy amount of games from both), but Lebron seems to have some extra snap on his passes with even less effort, dont know if it has to do with strength or technique but with a single flick of his wrist the ball is shot like out of a cannon & its dead accurate, other players have to heave/swing the ball like a baseball pitch to get it to that speed... this is what allows him to zip the ball through defenders right into the hands of a teammate, defender doesnt even have time to react to deflect the ball... like this pass at 8:42 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA[/url] Its definitely not a pass i have seen Bird do at same apex, only Magic perhaps....[/QUOTE]
You must not watch much basketball, which is understandable, because you have 12+ accounts on this site to manage.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPx4N5NWCbA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3JzqRPOpk[/url] (#4)
Two passes of similar, yet superior nature. Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Bird, Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.
[QUOTE=Miller for 3]You must not watch much basketball, which is understandable, because you have 12+ accounts on this site to manage.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPx4N5NWCbA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3JzqRPOpk[/url] (#4)
Two passes of similar, yet superior nature. Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Bird, Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.[/QUOTE]
Should throw in Boris Diaw to that list aswell
[QUOTE=HomieWeMajor]Should throw in Boris Diaw to that list aswell[/QUOTE]
True homie, there are like 30 or 40 more guys I could add. Pauk hasn't heard of any of them though (only knows Kobe, MJ, and Lebron), so it wouldn't really do any good
[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Lebron is better at passing the ball off the rim to the other team (aka bricks). So if that counts, then yes Lebron is better at passing (bricks) than Bird.[/QUOTE]
56%
Stay salty.
[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.[/QUOTE]
That's just laughable and shows how much YOU watch basketball. How hard did you cry when Lebron won his second ring?
[QUOTE=aj1987]That's just laughable and shows how much YOU watch basketball. How hard did you cry when Lebron won his second ring?[/QUOTE]
As a Heat fan (my username is for Mike Miller, but I lost an avy bet so I have a Pacers avatar), I was overjoyed, but still a little dubious given the fact it took us playing a sub .500 team in the first round, the Rose/Deng-less Bulls with an injured Noah, the Grangerless Pacers, and the Spurs with an injured Parker. And we were very lucky that Westbrook, Gallo, Kobe, Lee, etc. got hurt.
And it was his first ring, lockout rings don't count.
[QUOTE=Miller for 3]And it was his first ring, lockout rings don't count.[/QUOTE]
That literally makes no sense. Unless the playoffs themselves were shortened with fewer games being played (thus changing what it takes to win), winning the playoffs remains the same in a lockout season as it does in a non-lockout season. So it's still the same.
[QUOTE=New World Order]That literally makes no sense. Unless the playoffs themselves were shortened with fewer games being played (thus changing what it takes to win), winning the playoffs remains the same in a lockout season as it does in a non-lockout season. So it's still the same.[/QUOTE]
Ah, another one of Pauk's sock account makes an appearance! Sorry, it is a fact that lockout rings are not real rings. They are either * rings or worth 1/4 a real ring.