Discussing the Bulls chances of beating the Heat in a 7 game series

[QUOTE=aj1987]You seem to be forgetting that Wade is still a 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% player, who plays excellent defense. He would average more if he's not sharing the ball with Lebron.[/QUOTE]

You didn't answer the question. Do you think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade if the Heat offered them that.

And Wade put up those numbers in the regular season where the Heat got out on the break at will. Wade is great when you can pound on bad teams, but once the game goes to the halfcourt he is pretty much useless.

You can set him up for an open look and what does he do? Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake. Every time, noone is buying that. He has no shot and with his injuries in the playoffs he couldn't get to the line either.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
Yeah, you're right. Lets give Allen and Miller starter minutes. One guy who's 36 and the other with a broken back. Is Lebron going to play 48 minutes a game? There's no one on the who who can create their own shots consistently and create for others consistently other than Wade and Lebron. With Lebron on the bench, and Wade not on the team, the Heat are going to get destroyed. Also, the Heat would've lost to the Spurs in 5 if it wasn't for Wade. [/QUOTE]

LeBron is all you need. He is the best player in the league and arguably of all-time. I want him creating as much as possible to maximize his talents.

Allen/Miller/Battier will finish those open looks created by LeBron. Wade cant do anything and the offense resets since he doesn't have a shot. In fact he hurts LeBrons game, because it lets the opposing team pack the paint even harder. Wade isn't a threat to do anything unless he has an open layup.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
Joakim Noah with this 11/10 on 45% took them to the second round, right? [/QUOTE]

Yep, laugh at his stats all you want, but Joakim Noah is the most impactful player in the entire Eastern Conference after LeBron James. Elite man defender, elite rim protector, elite rebounder, great athlete, good passer, can finish Guy really makes his mark on a game and does all the little things.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
:facepalm And this is why you are the resident f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cktard. Wade is a top 10 player. Lebron would still be ringless without Wade.[/QUOTE]

Wade was barely top 10 on the Heat, let alone in the entire league.

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Bulls always impress in the regular season but Thibs plays all his guys too much to the point where theyre falling into peices by the post season. Noah has a chronic foot injury that might never heal. Hinrich withered into the injury reserve by that point. Even Luol Deng literally was hospitalized at the point the Bulls were ready to play the Heat.

Thibs has a great philosphy for winning basketball. Its just not meant to last the entire season+postseason[/QUOTE]

This is a good point, I didn't have that in mind.
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You're talking about Wade being injured yet Rose is the one coming off a torn ACL. Wade averaged 22 ppg, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and shot a career high fg%. He was dealing with a bone bruise throughout the playoffs. No structural damage. There is no reason to believe he won't have a very good playoff run like in 2012. I guess I can get over you saying Joakim Noah is better than Wade because you are a complete Lebron nut hugging ****tard. But Jimmy Butler and Taj ****ing Gibson??? [/QUOTE]

Wade is an old 31, and Rose is 25. If their ages were reversed I would take Wade over him.

Joakim Noah is better than every single player in the Eastern conference other than LeBron. Very good basketball player.

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Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.[/QUOTE]

Rose is definitely overrated(he isn't close to being the most valuable Bull on the team), but he does make a big impact. Bulls had the #1 seed both years he was healthy.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]You didn't answer the question. Do you think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade if the Heat offered them that.[/quote]
Yes, they would.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]And Wade put up those numbers in the regular season where the Heat got out on the break at will. Wade is great when you can pound on bad teams, but once the game goes to the halfcourt he is pretty much useless.[/quote]
It's not like Wade averaged 20/4/5/2/1 on 47% in the Finals, right?

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]You can set him up for an open look and what does he do? Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake. Every time, noone is buying that. He has no shot and with his injuries in the playoffs he couldn't get to the line either. [/quote]
And he still averaged 16/5/5/2/1 on 46%, while playing on one leg.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]LeBron is all you need. He is the best player in the league and arguably of all-time. I want him creating as much as possible to maximize his talents.[/quote]
He's barely top 10, let alone GOAT. Also, if Lebron is all you need, why didn't he win in Cleveland? Or in '11, when Wade and Bosh were playing really well.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Allen/Miller/Battier will finish those open looks created by LeBron. Wade cant do anything and the offense resets since he doesn't have a shot. In fact he hurts LeBrons game, because it lets the opposing team pack the paint even harder. Wade isn't a threat to do anything unless he has an open layup.[/quote]
I think you must've missed games 4 & 7 of the Finals.
Is that why Allen/Miller/Battier averaged a 52% FG%?
That's why he won a ring, when Lebron was barely making the playoffs. :facepalm Wade is arguably an equally good playmaker. He still averages 6.1 APG for his career.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yep, laugh at his stats all you want, but Joakim Noah is the most impactful player in the entire Eastern Conference after LeBron James. Elite man defender, elite rim protector, elite rebounder, great athlete, good passer, can finish Guy really makes his mark on a game and does all the little things.[/quote]
Rose, George, Wade, Rondo, Deron and a bunch of other players are much much better than Noah and it's not even close.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Wade was barely top 10 on the Heat, let alone in the entire league.[/quote]
Lebron needs a 20/5/5 guy as the 10th best player on his team to win a ring? DAMN! Wade did it with his #2 averaging 13/10.

I see what you are doing OP. Good job:applause:

aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abyssmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]I see what you are doing OP. Good job:applause:

aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abysmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.[/QUOTE]

He looked pretty 'terrible' to me playing in that Game 7 last year. :lol

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: You're just mad that your boy needs his 10th best player to average 20/5/5 to barely win the Finals.


[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abysmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]
I've seen you use it to discredit Kobe, when his TS% was really good, with a shitty FG%.

2013 Finals: Lebron - 53% and Wade 51% (TS)
2012 Finals: Lebron - 56% and Wade 52% (TS)

Pretty far from "abysmal".

Give them a 25% chance.

If we look at the top 5 players on either team, 4 of them are Bulls. Heres the rankings.
-LeBron James
-Joakim Noah
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson
-Derrick Rose'

Friggin idiot.

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Give them a 25% chance.[/QUOTE]

I can't exactly put a figure to how likely they are to win, but I think this year will be the Bulls best chance to dethrone them.

Butler's defense on Lebron could be the difference.

Why do you guys respond to this kid? He's just ****in with all of you..

[QUOTE=Twiens]Why do you guys respond to this kid? He's just ****in with all of you..[/QUOTE]

:lol

I've always been a troll feeder myself :confusedshrug:

Heat never won with Rose healthy.


End of story.

[QUOTE=Dengness9]Heat never won with Rose healthy.


End of story.[/QUOTE]
What? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.[/QUOTE]

Not that they are anywhere near each other in terms of level of play, but I agree with this. We really couldn't stop him.

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Butler's defense on Lebron could be the difference.[/QUOTE]

You mean the Bull's team defense don't you?