The era of the NWO on WCW Nitro/Thunder? Most entertaining era in wrestling ever?

[QUOTE=Flash31]Four Horsemen were that stable long before NWO and DX,Evolution,Shield

The og stable,Four Horsemen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but, they didn't set the wrestling world on fire like the NWO did, also they weren't 2 "outsiders" from the rival company to take down the one they were now in.

NWO had people believing some of tht stuff was real. I mean Razor Ramon randomly showing up on Nitro, nobody had any idea what was goin on, people actually called the cops on the NWO when they attacked rey mysterio :roll:

And who can forget Hogans transformation into a heel, the biggest name in wrestling at the time and of all time, it made one hell of an impact and instantly made Nitro edgy must see television.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Yeah but, they didn't set the wrestling world on fire like the NWO did, also they weren't 2 "outsiders" from the rival company to take down the one they were now in.

NWO had people believing some of tht stuff was real. I mean Razor Ramon randomly showing up on Nitro, nobody had any idea what was goin on, people actually called the cops on the NWO when they attacked rey mysterio :roll:

And who can forget Hogans transformation into a heel, the biggest name in wrestling at the time and of all time, it made one hell of an impact and instantly made Nitro edgy must see television.[/QUOTE]


Yeah they did,back in the 70s,early 80s

Four Horsemen were legendary
All over NWA and AWA,even early WCW-Jim Crockett Promotions
and WcW

come on
you had the 16 time Wooo World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair
Ole and Arn Anderson,Tully Blanchard,James Dillon


all those legendary battles with Dusty Rhodes,Harley Race,Steamboat,
Road Warriors,Greg Valentine,Magnum TA

They were the dominating,rebel,do whatever they wanted group before NWO and DX,Evolution was even an idea


The NWO were great,one of all time goat groups(the original),not what it became and they did set WCW and Nitro on fire
but they also burned both to the ground

NWO were all time great but
the 4 Horsemen were simply put Better

I see the NWO as 3rd GOAT faction

Four Horsemen
DX
NWO

Most kids don't even know what good wrestling is.

They think John Cena is wrestling.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]Most kids don't even know what good wrestling is.

They think John Cena is wrestling.[/QUOTE]

ergo

Most kids dont even know what good basketball is.
They think Kobe Bryant is Basketball.

Same principle applies.

Though then again,Kids dont look at stats in basketball,
in wrestling they dont look for Technical Ability,"workrate"
Its what enteratins them

Kobe,Rose,LeBron all have their faults all loved by kids
Cena,Hogan,The Rock werent exactly good "wrestlers" but they sure as hell were entertaining and are loved by kids

[QUOTE=Flash31]ergo

Most kids dont even know what good basketball is.
They think Kobe Bryant is Basketball.[/quote]

I think you mean Lebron fans. Kobe has been in the league for 18 years now. His fans are all grown up.

[quote]Same principle applies.

Though then again,Kids dont look at stats in basketball,
in wrestling they dont look for Technical Ability,"workrate"
Its what enteratins them[/quote]

People like to look at championships as the main constitute in how good a wrestler is. Those that look at work rate and mic skills are the ones judging with the eye test. Kobe and Lebron has some pretty good stats but Kobe passing the eye test more so than Lebron.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]I think you mean Lebron fans. Kobe has been in the league for 18 years now. His fans are all grown up.



People like to look at championships as the main constitute in how good a wrestler is. Those that look at work rate and mic skills are the ones judging with the eye test. Kobe and Lebron has some pretty good stats but Kobe passing the eye test more so than Lebron.[/QUOTE]


Well THE goat IS Shawn Michaels,only a 4 time WWE Champion

but you really cant compare Basketball to Wrestling.
Wrestling your success is determined by how many championships youve won,how long at the top you were,and how the Fans ultimately Perceive you,and memorable moments,matches.

With an actual sport,an eye test works sure somewhat,but Facts play a big part in determining whos better.
And KOBE Passing the eye test more than LeBron,NO.

bUT ONES A SPORT,
THE OTHER IS SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.
One is legit competition,the other is putting on a show for the fans to the best of your ability and showcasing your skills.

In Basketball determining the GOAT,you can look at stats,winning,dominance,accomplishments.
In Wrestling not really,
it plays a huge part but overall its about perception and what youve done and how people see it and their opininons.

IN NBA,Jordan,Russell,Wilt,Kareem cases for goat
you cant really do that in wrestling.

Wrestling is more like ranking Boxers than NBA players.Popularity and what you see play a part thats why you have GOAT can be Ali,SRR,Tyson,Frazier,Marciano,Mayweather,Louis,Dempsey and can be argued for.

In wrestling its the same
Shawn Michaels,Ric Flair,Hulk Hogan,Stone Cold,Rock,Cena,Triple H,Harley Race,Sammartino,Backlund,Bret Hart and can make a case for GOAT for any.

[QUOTE=Flash31]Well THE goat IS Shawn Michaels,only a 4 time WWE Champion

but you really cant compare Basketball to Wrestling.
Wrestling your success is determined by how many championships youve won,how long at the top you were,and how the Fans ultimately Perceive you,and memorable moments,matches.

With an actual sport,an eye test works sure somewhat,but Facts play a big part in determining whos better.
And KOBE Passing the eye test more than LeBron,NO.

bUT ONES A SPORT,
THE OTHER IS SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.
One is legit competition,the other is putting on a show for the fans to the best of your ability and showcasing your skills.

In Basketball determining the GOAT,you can look at stats,winning,dominance,accomplishments.
In Wrestling not really,
it plays a huge part but overall its about perception and what youve done and how people see it and their opininons.

IN NBA,Jordan,Russell,Wilt,Kareem cases for goat
you cant really do that in wrestling.

Wrestling is more like ranking Boxers than NBA players.Popularity and what you see play a part thats why you have GOAT can be Ali,SRR,Tyson,Frazier,Marciano,Mayweather,Louis,Dempsey and can be argued for.

In wrestling its the same
Shawn Michaels,Ric Flair,Hulk Hogan,Stone Cold,Rock,Cena,Triple H,Harley Race,Sammartino,Backlund,Bret Hart and can make a case for GOAT for any.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that Shawn Michaels is the best.

Shawn was the total package. Although his best days were during his DX run, which were triggered my his real life personal issues. Not saying he couldn't be a great heel/face but his real life issues made him that great of a villain.

His work rate, ability to take bumps and story tell a match is 2nd to none. Probably the best ever and by a couple of tiers above the next guy. Bret Hart was a little too technical for my taste. Heck, Benoit was technical but he brought the intensity.

The Rock is actually very underrated as a technical wrestler. Unfortunately, his technical ability didn't not match his style as "The Rock."

I do love the NWO days but I think they got where they got by breaking the rules of wrestling. That 4th wall and stepping outside the boundaries of the wrestling industry.

Horsemen were a great faction, but the first of its kind in a different way than the nWo or DX. For one, DX wasn't even the same type of faction as nWo, but much more like the Horsemen. the nWo was more like a gang than a wrestling faction. That was the big idea behind their supremacy, was that Eric Bishoff, the man in charge, was rolling with a damn gang of thugs, who were beyond wCw's control.

Horsemen, DX, Evolution, Revolution, Radicalz...these are the same basic type of faction; A Superstar, a tag team, and a star (the midcarder).

The nWo was an entirely new beast; it took how gangs were and made a wrestling faction with dudes who didn't just seek to dominate, but consume soldiers and territory, everyone was in this group; japanese mafia/international connection (muta, chono), the ese vato locs/central-street connect (konnan), the bikers (hogan, disciple), the con man (nash), the corporate man (michael wallstreet), the money (dibiase), the scumbags (hall and syxx), the muscle (norton, giant, rogers), the inside man (bischoff), the talent (hennig), the future (steiner, bagwell)...this group had it all.

i thought the Nexus would go such a route but WWE has never liked big factions or anyone or anything too dominant.

One of my fondest memory was when Stone Cold kidnapped Scott Hall and proceeded to torture him. Good stuff.

The Rock dissing NWO was great too.

To be honest, I was a WWF guy but I would tune in to watch WCW's midcard and lightweight divisions.

i was definitely a wCw guy, but WWE was undeniably dope back then as well. it was a lot easier to follow WWE because it didn't have as much variety as wCw, though it did what it did very well.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]I do agree that Shawn Michaels is the best.

Shawn was the total package. Although his best days were during his DX run, which were triggered my his real life personal issues. Not saying he couldn't be a great heel/face but his real life issues made him that great of a villain.

His work rate, ability to take bumps and story tell a match is 2nd to none. Probably the best ever and by a couple of tiers above the next guy. Bret Hart was a little too technical for my taste. Heck, Benoit was technical but he brought the intensity.

The Rock is actually very underrated as a technical wrestler. Unfortunately, his technical ability didn't not match his style as "The Rock."

I do love the NWO days but I think they got where they got by breaking the rules of wrestling. That 4th wall and stepping outside the boundaries of the wrestling industry.[/QUOTE]

I'd say Shawn's best was when he came back in 2002.His second run after his 4 year retirement.He had his first match back against Triple H,put on some of the Greatest of All Time matches at WrestleMania against Kurt Angle,Chris Jericho,Undertaker and literally stole the show when his match was on every time.He had an hour long match in London against Cena which was one of the best matches that year,highly unexpected.They both went out there and just took over.

The Rock's anything but underrated as a technical wrestler.Some of his moves were crisp,good while others like the Worst Sahrpshooter known to man was not.Cena is more technically gifted and has more technical ability than the Rock but people hate Cena and due to only usually seeing "5 moves of doom" they don't see it.

I mean anybody that can pull a decent to good match against Khali,Umaga,Mark Henry,Big Show deserves praise and credit,not to mention all the great matches he's had.

Bret Hart was good,but he went through the motions or did the exact same thing every match,but he was still Excellence of Execution.Just his moves looked way too crisp,way too solid.Almost too perfect you know.
Randy Orton today is the perfect package.The way he moves,things he does crisp,clean,seems effortless yet always has a purpose.

The best workers were and are the ones who can tell a story,exude emotion,ellicit a response,be a general in the ring.It's not about how many moves you know or can do or how great you can do a suplex.It's about telling a story.

HBK,Triple H,Orton,Undertaker,Flair,Race,Jericho were and are masters at it.



The utter disgusting blackhole waste of a human being that is Benoit was the absence of Charisma and Showmanship.And due to him doing what he did should never even be mentioned regardless of how great he did a suplex or how many moves he knew.He was way too technical at the same time and way,way too stiff and hard.

And the NWO originally did become big breaking down barriers,borders and crossing lines but they went way too far with it.They practically took the wall down and burned it as well as consuming,devouring WCW and making it all NWO all the time.

[QUOTE=9erempiree]One of my fondest memory was when Stone Cold kidnapped Scott Hall and proceeded to torture him. Good stuff.

The Rock dissing NWO was great too.

To be honest, I was a WWF guy but I would tune in to watch WCW's midcard and lightweight divisions.[/QUOTE]

what Best Time period and rivalry when NWO was around in WWE for Austin
was Booker T

Austin vs Booker T in a supermarket,come on that was hilarious

[QUOTE=Immortal Bum]Horsemen were a great faction, but the first of its kind in a different way than the nWo or DX. For one, DX wasn't even the same type of faction as nWo, but much more like the Horsemen. the nWo was more like a gang than a wrestling faction. That was the big idea behind their supremacy, was that Eric Bishoff, the man in charge, was rolling with a damn gang of thugs, who were beyond wCw's control.

Horsemen, DX, Evolution, Revolution, Radicalz...these are the same basic type of faction; A Superstar, a tag team, and a star (the midcarder).

The nWo was an entirely new beast; it took how gangs were and made a wrestling faction with dudes who didn't just seek to dominate, but consume soldiers and territory, everyone was in this group; japanese mafia/international connection (muta, chono), the ese vato locs/central-street connect (konnan), the bikers (hogan, disciple), the con man (nash), the corporate man (michael wallstreet), the money (dibiase), the scumbags (hall and syxx), the muscle (norton, giant, rogers), the inside man (bischoff), the talent (hennig), the future (steiner, bagwell)...this group had it all.

i thought the Nexus would go such a route but WWE has never liked big factions or anyone or anything too dominant.[/QUOTE]


You dont want a faction to get too big otherwise it dillutes it ala NWO,
you dont want them to dominate too long otherwise it becomes stale and theres no advancement.And you definitely don't want a faction to get too powerful otherwise you have a situation like WCW where the NWO consumed literally everything and everybody.

But anyways,

Evolution was awesome.

It also brought us two rising stars in Randy Orton and Batista.
Come on pink wearing shirt,spotlight having,no more kissing babies and hugging fat girls,basketballs dont hold grudges,and duct tape Douchetista was Awesome.And Randy Orton as the Viper,battles with Foley,HBK,Cena and punting people left and right,Awesome.


and now today,you have the Shield.
Dominant,rebel,do things on their own.They don't and really didn't give a reason to why they were and are doing things,they just do.Good collection of talent,skill and potential.Could be future stars.

BELIVE IN THE SHIELD.BELIEVE IN THE SHIELD.

i'm not gonna get too much into it because i've had this debate too many times already, but how anyone can see Shawn Michaels as the GOAT is beyond me. He had a very short prime in the 90s before he had to go away to get his life together (his back was only half the reason) where he was incredible in every way, but the dude who return in 2002 wasn't even a shadow of the man there was before. His character has remained stale through his entire return; none of his angles were any good because he did the same routine over and over so most of his feuds were about friendship or him being someone's idol. shit was awful. but because that WWE hype machine went to work, you'll surely believe HBK is the GOAT. But about 95% of the dude's reputation is based on WWE having always hyped the hell out of him, when he really was only that great for maybe two years? maybe?