What percentage of ''great shooting'' is due to genetics/mental?

[QUOTE=livinglegend]Why cant they never be as good as Nash or Korver? If genetics have nothing to do with shooting, then, with practice, they should be able to get as good as those 2.[/QUOTE]
they probably can be with time, but those 2 has practiced their shooting 10x as much as someone like shaq since shaq isnt a perimeter player

[QUOTE=oarabbus]For the general population, it's genetics. If you aren't >6' and extremely athletic you don't have a chance to play at a level as high as the NBA.

Out of the NBA talent pool, it's hard work. Just take a look at that Kobe thread from earlier about his work ethic. Kobe is gifted but he worked harder than anyone in the NBA, except a small handful of players.[/QUOTE]


Guys like jr smith, carmelo, iverson and others who are notoriously dumb and lazy are better shooters than tons of kids who work their asses off. Its def largely genetic.

[QUOTE=inclinerator]they probably can be with time, but those 2 has practiced their shooting 10x as much as someone like shaq since shaq isnt a perimeter player[/QUOTE]
are you serious? :lol
Shaq can never be as good as Nash or Korver. His hands are too big. Just look at the way he holds the ball when he shoots fts.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Guys like jr smith, carmelo, iverson and others who are notoriously dumb and lazy are better shooters than tons of kids who work their asses off. Its def largely genetic.[/QUOTE]


We're only looking at "great" shooters though. Steve Nash said he wouldn't have a job if everyone in the NBA had his work ethic, and he's a great shooter. Dirk works hard as a MF. Durant skipped his senior prom or something to be shooting baskets. I'd venture to guess Dragic is a product of hard work as well.

[QUOTE=livinglegend]are you serious? :lol
Shaq can never be as good as Nash or Korver. His hands are too big. Just look at the way he holds the ball when he shoots fts.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm:
Timmy and KG have larger hands than Shaq. Dirks hands are comparable to Shaqs as well.

[QUOTE=oarabbus]We're only looking at "great" shooters though. Steve Nash said he wouldn't have a job if everyone in the NBA had his work ethic, and he's a great shooter. Dirk works hard as a MF. Durant skipped his senior prom or something to be shooting baskets. I'd venture to guess Dragic is a product of hard work as well.[/QUOTE]
And Nash is just patting himself on the back. Great shooters work hard but genetics play a big part. You can have 16 year Shaq and Steve Nash workout together, identically, for 15 year....only one will be a great shooter.

[QUOTE=oarabbus]:facepalm:
Timmy and KG have larger hands than Shaq. Dirks hands are comparable to Shaqs as well.[/QUOTE]

Big hands play a part of him being a bad shooter, but there are also other variables.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]And Nash is just patting himself on the back. Great shooters work hard but genetics play a big part. You can have 16 year Shaq and Steve Nash workout together, identically, for 15 year....only one will be a great shooter.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but on the whole Euro bigs can shoot quite well (just take someone random like Pero Antic, or Mirza Teletovic) while American bigs can't.

It's not because they are big. It's not because Euro bigs magically have smaller hands than American bigs. It's because of how they train and practice, how they are taught from a young age. I'm not saying Shaq would be a 7' Nash, but a LOT has to do with hard work and practice.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]And Nash is just patting himself on the back. Great shooters work hard but genetics play a big part. You can have 16 year Shaq and Steve Nash workout together, identically, for 15 year....only one will be a great shooter.[/QUOTE]

There s a reason why Wade cant have a consistent jumper. I m sure he has worked hard to get a good jumper especially since his decline.

[QUOTE=livinglegend]There s a reason why Wade cant have a consistent jumper. I m sure he has worked hard to get a good jumper especially since his decline.[/QUOTE]
He's actually improved a lot this year. But as far as 3 point shooting, I don't think he'll ever become a real threat.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Shooting itself has nothing to do with genetics at all.[/QUOTE]

If you took a million people and gave them identical training at an identical time/age span, the best of the bunch would be a lot better than the worst of the bunch. That gap is genetics.

[QUOTE=oarabbus]Sure, but on the whole Euro bigs can shoot quite well (just take someone random like Pero Antic, or Mirza Teletovic) while American bigs can't.

It's not because they are big. It's not because Euro bigs magically have smaller hands than American bigs. It's because of how they train and practice, how they are taught from a young age. I'm not saying Shaq would be a 7' Nash, but a LOT has to do with hard work and practice.[/QUOTE]


Obviously it's some of both and how much probably varies by person. But you can't just "work" your way to being the best shooter. Otherwise the NBA would be filled with the 400 hardest workers in America.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Shooting itself has nothing to do with genetics at all.[/QUOTE]


Wait, you just said this?


Were you being serious?


Come on man. Tell us that you were.

Please...

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]Obviously it's some of both and how much probably varies by person. But you can't just "work" your way to being the best shooter. Otherwise the NBA would be filled with the 400 hardest workers in America.[/QUOTE]
yes u can, the reason they arent in the nba is because they can only shoot while nba players can shoot rebound pass defend, and have size quickness etc

if u put them in an empty gym or what not their numbers are probably comparable

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Its all about muscle memory and being calm. Also being focused during practice is crucial. You have to keep shoting with the same motion every time.