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[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?
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i know its funny especially for black people to hate on Lin since hes asian, but yes, he is. he is EASILY top 3 in the NBA on defense at the PG position.
regulary shuts elite PGs down and plays INCREDIBLE team defense.
problem is overhelping sometimes and getting screened easily
[QUOTE=Euroleague]As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.
[B]Here is his Euroleague profile:[/B]
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.
He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.
That's about his true level. He's a 3rd string point guard. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.
Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.[/QUOTE]
No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.
Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)
I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]It's not McHale. It's Morey and his "genius" stats. His "genius" stats and calculations decide everything on that team. Including the playing time and rotations.[/QUOTE]
yeah Morey that fat turd probably never played basketball in his life.
this idiot thinks you can win a championship by only shooting at the basket or from 3.
Rockets are lowest team in midrange attempts and the second lowest, the 76ers have more than twice as many attempts:biggums:
He's an above average defender from the games i watched, but i think his defense reputation is inflated because of his hustle
[QUOTE=Clyde]I've seen him play 3 times this week.
Can't knock his hustle or effort.[/QUOTE]
Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.
For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is ever hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.
So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.
It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.
Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.
[QUOTE=Clyde]No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start as offense is needed off the bench. Not starting has nothing to do with a precieved lack of ability.
Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)
I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.[/QUOTE]
Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either
[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?
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Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.
Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.
For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is every hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.
So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.
It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.
Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.[/QUOTE]
Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.
I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).
Still it's good basketball at times.
[QUOTE=scm5]Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.
Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]If i remember he only played in Eurocup which is at best D-League level[/QUOTE]
He played in Euroleague with Olympiacos as their 3rd string point guard. He didn't cut it in Euroleague, so he dropped down to the Eurocup level and stayed there with Spartak for awhile.
That's where Morey the "genius" "discovered him out of nowhere".......
[QUOTE=Clyde]No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.
Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)
I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't think punks like him should be in the league. George Karl said something to the effect of, "there are just some kinds of guys that we should not have in the league."
He's one of those kinds of guys.
Morey and Rockets fans are glorifying this kind of guy. He's going to seriously injure someone. He's nothing more than a 3rd string level player that is getting playing time because he goes out there with the intent of trying to disrupt the other team and making plays that can injure other players.
And the coach, GM and fans of the Rockets are approving and even seem to be egging him on.
[B]And clearly this is the reason Morey signed him in the first place, as there were dozens of better point guards than him in Europe. But he was known as the dirtiest player in Europe....no real point guard skills even....but will go out there and try to punk someone...
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That was clearly why Morey even signed him in the first place and insisted McHale play the guy, even though he can't even pass the ball.
That kind of stuff should not be allowed in the league.
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6
[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield][B]Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.[/B]
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either[/QUOTE]
:lol :oldlol: :roll:
Harden is such a freaking baby.....
Can't wait to see that team with him and Howard in the playoffs...
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Clyde]Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.
I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).
Still it's good basketball at times.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I watch NCAA. I like the big conference tournaments and NCAA tournament.
Beverley is a GOOD defender. He's just not this elite defender that everyone thinks he is.
I LIKE Beverley...he's a great teammate and 150% hustle, all the time. But, like others have mentioned, I think a lot of that jerky movement and poking at the ball...it's for show and I don't know how effective that is.
I know he mind ****ed Lilliard bad and that's where his rep came from, but saying Beverley is an elite defender just because of that is like saying Lin is an elite player just because of Linsanity.
I've watched pretty much every Rockets game of the last two seasons. At most, I would say Beverley is a good defender. He still gets beat off the dribble (Lin is a BETTER on ball defender, even though he doesn't poke the ball as much he stays in front of his man better) a bit much.
It's basically risk/reward. Beverley will get you that one or two extra "pokes" a game..but he's also going to give you 2-3 extra fouls a game, most of the time sending his guy to the line. What's better?
Lin and Beverley are equal, to me, on defense. Lin is better on the ball and blocking shots (opposing PGs rarely try to shoot over him) whereas Beverley is a better help defender and reads passing lanes better.
When both of these guys are on the court at the same time, Houston's perimeter defense really steps up big time. Their weakness out there is still Harden, though he's improved somewhat lately...he's still pretty porous and lazy at times.