Do any of you want religion/God to be true?

[QUOTE=Nowitness]I knew that was coming. I can admit we don't understand how the Universe works, people are looking for answers.

You claim to know them based on a book.[/QUOTE]


A book has nothing to do with it. All religious books (Bible, Torah, Quran, Vedas) are merely history books as best as the ancient world can describe, with general guidance for all followers.

From a historical standpoint, there is loads of evidence of divine presence on this planet at some point in the last 8000 or so years.

To me, the disbelief in God is merely just an attack on Christianity which has been on the rise in the last half-century. It's become cool and trendy to attack Christianity.

But Christianity is a religion. You do not have to be a Christian to believe in God and you do not have to be a Christian to be accepted by God.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]The creator always existed. You cannot create something from nothing as Big Bang proponents want you to believe.[/QUOTE]

your posts just get dumber and dumber

the big bang is not "creating something from nothing". we dont know what came before the big bang, that doesnt mean it was nothing.

besides, how is it possible for god to exist if you cannot create something out of nothing? what was your god created from?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]A book has nothing to do with it. All religious books (Bible, Torah, Quran, Vedas) are merely history books as best as the ancient world can describe, with general guidance for all followers.

From a historical standpoint, there is loads of evidence of divine presence on this planet at some point in the last 8000 or so years.

[B]To me, the disbelief in God is merely just an attack on Christianity which has been on the rise in the last half-century. It's become cool and trendy to attack Christianity.[/B]

But Christianity is a religion. You do not have to be a Christian to believe in God and you do not have to be a Christian to be accepted by God.[/QUOTE]

No, it hasn't become cool. It has become necessary, it has become justified. That is the only difference. I mean, hell probably just after the decline in murder and hatred to opposing beliefs that has been going on for the better part of 2,000 years. Give me a rise in Atheists debating against redundant Christian views over Christians slaughtering non believers because they fear they will be punished.

I'm sure most know the two are separate. But to have a concept of heaven and hell is entirely based on those 'historical books'. And whilst you may not have to be Christian to accept God I'm sure if he were real he'd be a pretty big douche if we were forced to accept him even if we don't want to (which is the question I posed).

It's obviously not, but I wish it was. Would be amazing if there was more to existence than our short lifespans.

More reason to make the most out of each day though, live for now, not for never.

[QUOTE=Nowitness]Exactly. Totalitarian, able to persecute thought crime. Blood thirsty, didn't want to help humanity for anywhere between 248,000/98,000 years.

Who would want an eternal father figure watching over you forever, even after you die?[/QUOTE]

That's also the behavior of a very successful, selfish evolved Ape General IMO. It's the tyrannical mark of what it takes to be above all.

It's how Koba rose above Caesar.

[QUOTE=Nanners]your posts just get dumber and dumber

the big bang is not "creating something from nothing". we dont know what came before the big bang, that doesnt mean it was nothing.

besides, how is it possible for god to exist if you cannot create something out of nothing? what was your god created from?[/QUOTE]


Leave the insults for grade school. I'm trying to explain that it would be a circular and futile argument to keep asking what was before this and who was before that.

Remember Einstein's explanation of the fabric of time? He said that the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. So we cannot get muddled with this. Scientists want you to believe in a big bang, but yet have no explanation for it. Yet, if the universe is as old as they say it is, why is there no evidence of other big bangs of creation?

So I'll look at this from a non-religious perspective and say, since you cannot create something from nothing, then I can firmly believe that something created it and this is the creator, God, whatever you want to call it.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Leave the insults for grade school. I'm trying to explain that it would be a circular and futile argument to keep asking what was before this and who was before that.

Remember Einstein's explanation of the fabric of time? He said that the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. So we cannot get muddled with this. Scientists want you to believe in a big bang, but yet have no explanation for it. Yet, if the universe is as old as they say it is, why is there no evidence of other big bangs of creation?

So I'll look at this from a non-religious perspective and say, since you cannot create something from nothing, then I can firmly believe that something created it and this is the creator, God, whatever you want to call it.[/QUOTE]

since you only understand science at a grade school level, wouldnt that make this is the perfect place for some insults?

you are an idiot.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]God is real. Heaven and Hell are real.

To look at the world and the universe and convince yourself that it is all there "by chance" is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]

Undeveloped you are.

[QUOTE=Nanners]since you only understand science at a grade school level, i think this is the perfect place for some insults.

you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]


Proof that if you are an atheist, you are also vile.

I'm waiting for your "science" so that you may educate me on why there is no God.

I eagerly await your copy and paste reply.

Look at all the replies from those that don't believe. Nothing but insults.

:lol

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Look at all the replies from those that don't believe. Nothing but insults.

:lol[/QUOTE]
What else can be done for people who don't understand science, and also refuse to try to understand science?

You, plainly, are an idiot.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Proof that if you are an atheist, you are also vile.

I'm waiting for your "science" so that you may educate me on why there is no God.

I eagerly await your copy and paste reply.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

you are damn right i am vile

and where exactly do you think i am copy pasting my replies from? thats a new one.

btw i am agnostic, not atheist. big difference. i have never claimed there is no god. i think it is unlikely that there is a god, and extremely unlikely that there is a god as described by any of the mainstream religions, but it is possible, and there is really no way for anybody to be sure either way.


[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Look at all the replies from those that don't believe. Nothing but insults.

:lol[/QUOTE]

the only responses that your idiotic ramblings warrant is insults. maybe if you showed an inkling of intelligence you would get a better response.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Proof that if you are an atheist, you are also vile.

I'm waiting for your "science" so that you may educate me on why there is no God.

I eagerly await your copy and paste reply.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you actually hold this viewpoint. Good thing about Atheism is that;

A) Evil acts and redundant ideas such as circumcision, homophobia, slavery, anti-abortion/stem cell research and misogynistic viewpoints can't be justified by saying a book says so.

B) Very few things are done in the name of Atheism, whereas a ton of stupid things are done in the name of God.

C) That is possibly his only characteristic he shares we other Atheists, that he doesn't hold belief (if he is an Atheist). There are no codes we need to follow that limit us.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]The creator always existed. You cannot create something from nothing as Big Bang proponents want you to believe.[/QUOTE]
That's not what the big bang means.

Big bang =/= creation of the universe

Big bang = expansion

i am actually considering joining the church of satan, they seem pretty legit

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