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Because they are awesome when they quit and there's been numerous explanations posted in this thread to support why.
But what are you expecting society to give you or any person who hasn't gone down that dark path? Do you feel you're not getting your proper shake or something? You shouldn't have to be applauded because you posses the will power or favorable life circumstance/bodily composition to avoid being an addict.
Addiction is hard is support and positive reinforcement from the people around you is helpful during/after recovery. Not that hard to figure out. It is about being part of a support system not giving out gold stars.
[QUOTE=NZStreetBaller]I smoke ciggarettes and weed for 6 years and stopped when I had a kid .... u really think I wouldve made this thread had I not known what it was like to be addicted. I knew wat addiction was which is why Iwas never dumb enough to touch the worse more expensive drugs.
So keep bowing down you drugged up ***....[/QUOTE]
reminds of that scene with Bob Saget in half baked.
[B]they AREN'T praised by the general public[/B]...only praised by other addicts and loved ones
That is the entire reason that AA is a "secret cult"...because the public stigma of someone in AA (or NA) is a negative one, they are looked down on as someone who is less. I know AA members that don't even call it "AA"...they will call it "the gathering"..."the following"...something of that nature.
People would be shocked if all of the names in AA (and NA) were released...it would be a list full of every type of human, from high paid CEOs to bums on the street. There are LOTS of rich successful men and women in AA and they attend knowing that them being there is a secret to the public. All ages, all races, all salary types...addiction does not discriminate.
I can't remember who the comedian is, but they said they think people who are able to drink or do drugs in moderation while being a functioning member of the society are worthy of praise far more than recovering addicts or straight edge people
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]I can't remember who the comedian is, but they said they think people who are able to drink or do drugs in moderation while being a functioning member of the society are worthy of praise far more than recovering addicts or straight edge people[/QUOTE]
for alcoholics it's basically just all brain chemistry for the majority (not all but most)...some people can have a drink and they just don't even want another, some people have a drink and then go into [I]"you'll have to kill me to stop me from having another drink"[/I] mode.
To me that is the one single thing defines an alcoholic most...a human that is incapable of just having one drink.
[QUOTE=NZStreetBaller]More then they praise people who never touched it in the first place. I mean yeah it takes alot of will power to quit drugs but it takes will power to say no to drugs sometimes. Especially when people are trying to peer pressure you[/QUOTE]
same reason why some forget to tell others "I love you"
[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]I can't remember who the comedian is, but they said they think people who are able to drink or do drugs in moderation while being a functioning member of the society are worthy of praise far more than recovering addicts or straight edge people[/QUOTE]
there are those who believe the masses are better under the influence than trying to influence
[QUOTE=~primetime~]for alcoholics it's basically just all brain chemistry for the majority (not all but most)...some people can have a drink and they just don't even want another, some people have a drink and then go into [I]"you'll have to kill me to stop me from having another drink"[/I] mode.
To me that is the one single thing defines an alcoholic most...a human that is incapable of just having one drink.[/QUOTE]
true.....
and it could be also said for every person and every person's affliction since the dawn of mankind.
The obese person doing harm to their body because they can't stop eating.
The obsessed video gamer who can't stop playing Video games/never sleeps
The alcoholic that drinks for 20 years destroying their liver
The smoker who smokes for 20 years and destroys their lungs..
The gambler who can't stop gambling
The speed freak who can't stop speeding
The hard core drug addict who can't stop hard drugs
The prescription drug addict who needs prescriptions
all these are the same.....Everything effects our brains ( chemically ) , at some point it's up to you to change yourself......if not......then what?
[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]true.....
and it could be also said for every person and every person's affliction since the dawn of mankind.
The obese person doing harm to their body because they can't stop eating.
The obsessed video gamer who can't stop playing Video games/never sleeps
The alcoholic that drinks for 20 years destroying their liver
The smoker who smokes for 20 years and destroys their lungs..
The gambler who can't stop gambling
The speed freak who can't stop speeding
The hard core drug addict who can't stop hard drugs
The prescription drug addict who needs prescriptions
all these are the same.....Everything effects our brains ( chemically ) , at some point it's up to you to change yourself......if not......then what?[/QUOTE]
yes true...I would guess that is correct with most of these, but not all. being a "speed freak" probably has little to do with brain chemistry.
I guess what I was getting at is that with alcohol in particular there is a innate born link to DNA that dictates how bad you want that next drink (for most). These other addictions you listed are mostly acquired. Alcoholism can be linked in family trees...these others can't (to my knowledge)
primetime, that's [I]all[/I] a consequence of brain chemistry and how it reacts to external stimuli.
The way you are talking about alcoholism is still terribly reductionist. (please don't post a trite scientific study as if any study has proved any of the things you are asserting, because they haven't - you thinking they have is just a consequence of your being credulous enough to buy into what is plain and simple scientism)
Most academic publications (scientific or otherwise) are simply low-level academics publishing basic correlations and using language to play them off as new knowledge (possible causation!) because they need to publish something to keep their jobs. 95% of it is of little to no value.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]yes true...I would guess that is correct with most of these, but not all. being a "speed freak" probably has little to do with brain chemistry.
I guess what I was getting at is that with alcohol in particular there is a innate born link to DNA that dictates how bad you want that next drink (for most). These other addictions you listed are mostly acquired. Alcoholism can be linked in family trees...these others can't (to my knowledge)[/QUOTE]
so it is safe to conclude there are those who naturally rejects alcohol because of their DNA?
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]so it is safe to conclude there are those who naturally rejects alcohol because of their DNA?[/QUOTE]
yes, some humans have one drink and there is absolutely no urge for another...while others have one drink and all they can think about is another drink. Each was born with different brain chemistry.
And I suppose you can say that about many addictions, like Alpha did...however with alcohol in particular it is something given at birth and not acquired. Like tobacco for example, tobacco addicts all get there by smoking lots of cigarettes and there aren't many smokers who "just have one" every week or so.
I am sure there are other addictions that have DNA links as well...but alcoholism is very buried in DNA roots. I read some study that had it as high as 80%, the other 20% got there from other things like PTSD, severe depression, etc etc
[QUOTE=~primetime~]yes, some humans have one drink and there is absolutely no urge for another...while others have one drink and all they can think about is another drink. Each was born with different brain chemistry.
And I suppose you can say that about many addictions, like Alpha did...however with alcohol in particular it is something given at birth and not acquired. Like tobacco for example, tobacco addicts all get there by smoking lots of cigarettes and there aren't many smokers who "just have one" every week or so.
I am sure there are other addictions that have DNA links as well...but alcoholism is very buried in DNA roots. I read some study that had it as high as 80%, the other 20% got there from other things like PTSD, severe depression, etc etc[/QUOTE]
Addictions addiction man.. You're just giving yourself an excuse for why your particular vice wasn't your fault.
Like an obese person saying 'but it's genetics!' Yea.. In maybe 1 or 2% of cases.. In the large majority it was external circumstances.. Friends you were around.. If you watched family members drink a lot when you're young.. If you have hopeless dilemmas that lead you to want to escape reality.. There's a million reasons it can occur.
Not trying to make any excuses for alcoholism at all here
having that first drink is a CHOICE, and anyone that is drunk got there from their own decisions and not because their DNA.