Kobe would beat MJ and vice versa.
LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.
Durant would beat LeBron and vice versa.
Nobody would destroy anybody. These are not legends against bums.
Anybody saying otherwise is a blind homer.
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Kobe would beat MJ and vice versa.
LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.
Durant would beat LeBron and vice versa.
Nobody would destroy anybody. These are not legends against bums.
Anybody saying otherwise is a blind homer.
[QUOTE=navy]It's 3ball. Expect a few over saturated gifs, incoherent fringe arguments, and repeated post over and over.[/QUOTE]
It's sad really, he's an informed poster, but decides to post on the level like dubeta on these boards.
[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]A highlight video.
All your arguments come from highlight videos, the same highlight videos that can make any player look good.[/QUOTE]
90% of the arguments on ISH are based on highlight videos...
the board on average isn't old enough to have watched anyone live that was playing before 2004 :lol
[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]It's sad really, he's an informed poster, but decides to post on the level like dubeta on these boards.[/QUOTE]
Yep. I hear he was like this and got banned on other boards as well.
[QUOTE=deja vu]Kobe would beat MJ and vice versa.
LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.
Durant would beat LeBron and vice versa.
Nobody would destroy anybody. These are not legends against bums.
Anybody saying otherwise is a blind homer.[/QUOTE]
you're missing the point of the thread - which is that quick SG's like Kobe and Jordan are bigger mismatches than forwards are against the total range of defenders they face, which means when they are matched up with forward, they hurt the other team more than if it was just two forwards matched up.
they destroy their fellow guards, and are [I]actual mismatches[/I] for forwards and bigs - a mismatch means the other team is hurt by allowing it to persist - in this case, the forward's quickness disadvantage is a constant threat and disadvantage to his team's defense.
[QUOTE=3ball]you're missing the point of the thread - which is that quick SG's like Kobe and Jordan are bigger mismatches than forwards are against the total range of defenders they face, which means when they are matched up with forward, they hurt the other team more than if it was just two forwards matched up.
they destroy their fellow guards, and are [I]actual mismatches[/I] for forwards and bigs - a mismatch means the other team is hurt by allowing it to persist - in this case, the forward's quickness disadvantage is a constant threat and disadvantage to his team's defense.[/QUOTE]
Just like how forwards are too fast/big for guards to guard them, creating mismatches also?
[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]Just like how forwards are too fast/big for guards to guard them, creating mismatches also?[/QUOTE]
forwards aren't too fast for guards, it's the other way around.
forwards are bigger, but if the forward isn't specifically a big man that plays inside already, that's a harder thing to take advantage of than speed.
that's why when diaw was guarding lebron, it didn't hurt the spurs at all, but it would have if that was kobe or jordan - said another way, a forward against another forward was not a mismatch in that spot, but a quick SG against a forward would have been.
[QUOTE=3ball]forwards aren't too fast for guards, it's the other way around.
forwards are bigger, but if the forward isn't specifically a big man that plays inside already, that's a harder thing to take advantage of than speed.
that's why when diaw was guarding lebron, it didn't hurt the spurs at all, but it would have if that was kobe or jordan - said another way, a forward against another forward was not a mismatch in that spot, but a quick SG against a forward would have been.[/QUOTE]
That's why they have leonard to guard kobe. Remember 1/14?
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Nobody would destroy anybody.
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Jordan would... he's the consensus GOAT with the best overall package of stats, athleticism, skills/moves, and fundamentals.
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LeBron would beat Kobe and vice versa.
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the video in the OP proves this isn't true - kobe scored on lebron much easier than lebron scores on kobe.
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the point of the thread is to show that Kobe scored on Lebron easily and at will - it was a mismatch, where the forward's quickness deficit (lebron) put his team defense at a perpetual disadvantage.
and given how easy it was for kobe, just imagine how much more dominant MJ would have been against lebron - and this is what happens when you have a quick guard being defended by a forward - it's a dangerous quickness mismatch that the other team can't allow to persist.
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3ball with the edits.
[QUOTE=navy]3ball with the edits.[/QUOTE]
the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABKg2azkp0][u]video in the OP[/u][/url] proves that kobe scored on lebron very easily and very often - but the point of the thread is really to demonstrate that if it's this easy for kobe, just think how much Jordan would dominate lebron.
it shouldn't be a surprise... not only was Jordan always a massive mismatch for bigger defenders like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url], but we already know that quick SG's against forwards is one of the worst mismatches a team can face - it's a mismatch where the forward's quickness disadvantage threatens the team's overall defense.
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[QUOTE=3ball]the point of the thread wasn't only to show how easy and often kobe scored on lebron (which the video did pretty well obviously), but to demonstrate that if it's this easy for kobe, just think how much Jordan would dominate lebron.
it shouldn't be a surprise... not only was Jordan always a massive mismatch for bigger defenders like [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]Dennis Rodman[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10667322#post10667322][u]Grant Hill[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10667188&postcount=19][u]Reggie Lewis[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8][u]Clyde Drexler[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692400&postcount=30][u]Richard Dumas[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10692264&postcount=24][u]Penny Hardaway[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744903&postcount=25][u]Dominique Wilkins[/u][/url], but we already know that quick SG's are always a dangerous mismatch for slower forwards - it's a mismatch where the forward's quickness disadvantage threatens the team's overall defense.[/QUOTE]
jordan would not dominate Lebron though, just as how Kobe never dominated Lebron
[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]jordan would not dominate Lebron though, just as how Kobe never dominated Lebron[/QUOTE]
[B][SIZE="3"]How well would Jordan score on Lebron?... Short answer:[/SIZE][/B]
[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse[/u][/url] than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.
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Lebron's never faced anyone with Jordan's [I]scoring frequency[/I], aggressiveness, and stamina - Jordan would score on Lebron the easiest of them all, and that would be a lot because today's players were already were doing well against him.
Now let's look at how well Jordan would [I]defend[/I] Lebron - he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... wow, that was easy to explain (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable).
[QUOTE=3ball][B][SIZE="3"]How well would Jordan score on Lebron?[/SIZE][/B]... Short answer: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]MJ made Dennis Rodman look worse[/u][/url] than guys like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Kobe and Kawhi Leonard make Lebron look... :confusedshrug:... not sure how you argue against that.
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Lebron's never faced anyone with Jordan's [I]scoring frequency[/I], aggressiveness, and stamina - Jordan would score on Lebron the easiest of them all, and that would be a lot because today's players were already were doing well against him.
Now let's look at how well Jordan would [I]defend[/I] Lebron - he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... wow, that was easy to explain (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable).[/QUOTE]
so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions
[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]so basically your making an assumption based on your beliefs and opinions[/QUOTE]
it's not an assumption - it's the truth that Jordan [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858][u]scored on Rodman a lot easier and better[/u][/url] than Paul George, Kobe, Kawhi Leonard and others scored on Lebron.
on defense, he'd do at least as well as Boris Diaw, fossil Paul Pierce or Gordon Hayward... (that's what happens when your offensive game is pretty rigid and not unstoppable - you can be adequately defended by slow forwards - could never happen with Jordan or Kobe though)..