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Oh I agree with that part.
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only that part?
you don't think eddie jones, latrell sprewell, nick anderson, clyde drexler, doug christie, ray allen, michael finley, kendall gill, and derrick mckey are good defenders?
[I]which SG's from today's game are better defenders than any of the guys from 1996 that i just listed?
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[QUOTE=3ball]
[I]which SG's from today's game are better defenders than any of the guys from 1996 that i just listed?
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Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.
Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.
SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.
Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.
SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.[/QUOTE]
Butler and Leonard are great defenders... that's just two though.. easily matched by any other year or era.
Ditto on the superstars - every era has 2-3 superstars at the SF spot... the 90's is far deeper at the SF spot, and the 80's is actually the golden age of SF's (a rarely discussed fact)...
80's of course ruled the big men too - the 80's was the golden era for frontcourts period.
Btw, people keep mentioning Paul George in these discussions to help today's era keep up - but he's hurt now, and won't come back the same - it happens - Reggie Lewis and Richard Dumas were the same type of rising star before their careers were cut short.
That was entertaining lol kucoc chucking. Lol kobe choked on those free throws.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.
Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.
SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.[/QUOTE]
Off the top of my head Tony Allen, Afflalo, George, Thabo, Butler,Ariza, Iggy, that's for right now and if we are going by 2000-2015 the list would get much longer.
Does the term "Kobe Stopper" mean anything to you guys and gals? Kobe popularized the defensive specialist in the league. Guys who were designed to only stop him during the 3peat era. They knew Shaq was going to get his but how are they going to stop Kobe. Enters the defensive specialists, who play SF too. Diaws, Bowens, Battiers of world who's only sole purpose is to defend. They spend all their energy to this specific task.
There were no defensive specialists in Jordan's era and there are very few of them today compared to the previous era.
This is how good Bryant was against great defensive players. He routinely scores on them with ease.
How does he even make the shot with this kind of defense that is only seen against Bryant. Rather than going for the ball Battier just blocks his vision instead.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Kobe_Bryant_Shane_Battier.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/si/2009/writers/chris_ballard/05/14/kobe/ko/be//kobe-battier2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0613/nba_g_kobe11_200.jpg[/IMG]
Here are Jordan Era defensive players.....
[IMG]http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/2013-08/ehlo_302421.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/y%20Little%20Big%20Men%20n%20Giants/0%20Little%20Big%20Men/Tyrone%20Muggsy%20Bogues/bogues.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/mikelikesmike.jpg[/IMG]
:facepalm @ this kind of defending. You won't see any player today bite at those fakes.
[IMG]http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22318-Michael-Jordan-ball-fake-gif-SvYu.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.minus.com/ibfTvKlJmUQeKZ.gif[/IMG]
Brent Price who?
[IMG]http://i.minus.com/ibzOGx9PPvCrj0.gif[/IMG]
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[size="4"][B]MJ destroying Shane Battier[/B][/size]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6e9edcb2ecab557b8d6482a328924ab8.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5b0d7e10d0111d7168ed87877fe57429.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/468618065082751c07e3ab2cdabdeae3.gif[/IMG]... Off-Ball Passing
battier is garbage for jordan.. way too slow... tailor-made... kobe just made it look way harder than it should have.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z6rTb2m-Uw&t=2m17s[/url]
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So....I suppose the point of this thread was to show Jordan was able to score a few points on teenagerbe?:facepalm
Lets have a look at all the blocks they racked up while guarding eachother
Kobe guarding MJ: [IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2254892/kobe-block-jordan-mad-o.gif[/IMG]
MJ guarding Kobe:
And it's obvoius that Kobe would guard Jordan routinely while MJ was too afraid to guard Kobe for even a moment. (see 55 point game)
[QUOTE=G0ATbe]
And it's obvoius that Kobe would guard Jordan routinely while MJ was too afraid to guard Kobe for even a moment. (see 55 point game)
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Every bucket i posted of MJ on Kobe was from 1996-1998 - i actually didn't include his Wizards years to save space.. Kobe's only scored on Jordan 4 times ever, including his Wizards years.
Kobe struggled with Doug Christie, Anthony Peeler, Shawn Marion, many more - all guys that Jordan dropped 40 on with ease.
[QUOTE=9erempiree]
[B]Does the term "Kobe Stopper" mean anything to you guys and gals?[/B] Kobe popularized the defensive specialist in the league. Guys who were designed to only stop him during the 3peat era.
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It means that one guy could stop Kobe and limit his efficiency - it didn't take an entire team... that's what the Jordan Rules were for.... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs[/url]
"soonner or later, everyone gets compared to Wilt"
Way more 2-way players in previous eras...
[QUOTE=GimmeThat]"soonner or later, everyone gets compared to Wilt"[/QUOTE]
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i can't argue with that