No one ****ing cares. Klay Thompson >>>> Wilt
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No one ****ing cares. Klay Thompson >>>> Wilt
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317843[/url]
:applause:[/QUOTE]
Wilt's "declining" play from his regular season H2H's and his post-season H2H's with Russell...
Wilt in '60 regular season against Russell: 39.1 ppg, 29.7 rpg, .465 FG%
EDF's: 30.5 ppg, 27.0 rpg, .500 FG%
'62 regular season against Russell: 39.7 ppg, 28.8 rpg, .468 FG%
EDF's: 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .468 FG%
'64 regular season against Russell: 29.1 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .530 FG%
Finals: 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517 FG%
'65 regular season against Russell: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%
'66 regular season against Russell: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509 FG%
'67 regular season against Russell: 20.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, .549 FG%
EDF's: 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, .556 FG%
'68 regular season against Russell: 17.1 ppg, 26.1 rpg., .471 FG%
EDF's: 22.1 ppg, 25.1 rpg, .487
'69 regular season against Russell: 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, .493 FG%
Finals: 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, .500 FG%
From what I read/heard about Russels Celtics. They were going to do 2 things.
1. They would try and stop Wilt as a team
2. Their strategy was to take more shots and get more rebounds in route to a victory.
So to say Wilt had an equal roster,
It may as well have said he had a team that figured out how to stop the latter strategy.
[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/grthr.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Wilt's "declining" play from his regular season H2H's and his post-season H2H's with Russell...
Wilt in '60 regular season against Russell: 39.1 ppg, 29.7 rpg, .465 FG%
EDF's: 30.5 ppg, 27.0 rpg, .500 FG%
'62 regular season against Russell: 39.7 ppg, 28.8 rpg, .468 FG%
EDF's: 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .468 FG%
'64 regular season against Russell: 29.1 ppg, 26.9 rpg, .530 FG%
Finals: 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517 FG%
'65 regular season against Russell: 25.4 ppg, 26.5 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%
'66 regular season against Russell: 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, .473 FG%
EDF's: 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509 FG%
'67 regular season against Russell: 20.3 ppg, 26.7 rpg, .549 FG%
EDF's: 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, .556 FG%
'68 regular season against Russell: 17.1 ppg, 26.1 rpg., .471 FG%
EDF's: 22.1 ppg, 25.1 rpg, .487
'69 regular season against Russell: 16.0 ppg, 24.0 rpg, .493 FG%
Finals: 11.7 ppg, 25.0 rpg, .500 FG%[/QUOTE]
Still lost.
Basketball is a team sport, so it must be looked at as one. Not this bullshit individual shit you all talk about all day.
[QUOTE=KembaWalker][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/grthr.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones drops the game winner from outside.... in '62, '64... [/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/celtics/HavlicekSteal358x308.jpg[/img]
[B]Havlicek bailed out choker Russell, who got totally shook after Chamberlain went 10-0 on the Celtics including 2 clutch free throws in that 4th Q... and threw the ball into the guywire.
Russell: "Bail me out, guys, we gotta do somethin'."
[/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]'65, '68...
Russell: you gotta save us, Sam.
[/B]
[img]http://i2.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201207/16/134241453748427.jpg[/img]
[B]Bailey Howell goes brutal, saves the day in the '68 playoffs over and over...[/B]
[img] http://www.nba.com/media/playoffs2004/historic_69_sam_jones_shot_grab.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones saves the day {again, after again, again, again, again, and again} with the Picket Fence....
[/B]
[img]http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/don-nelson-boston-celtics-vintage-photos11-99-t4251728-170.jpg[/img]
[B]Don Nelson clanks in probably the luckiest Finals shot in NBA history in '69.[/B]
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi][img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones drops the game winner from outside.... in '62, '64... [/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/celtics/HavlicekSteal358x308.jpg[/img]
[B]Havlicek bailed out choker Russell, who got totally shook after Chamberlain went 10-0 on the Celtics including 2 clutch free throws in that 4th Q... and threw the ball into the guywire.
Russell: "Bail me out, guys, we gotta do somethin'."
[/B]
[img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/sam-jones/sam-jones-shooting.jpg[/img]
[B]'65, '68...
Russell: you gotta save us, Sam.
[/B]
[img]http://i2.hoopchina.com.cn/blogfile/201207/16/134241453748427.jpg[/img]
[B]Bailey Howell goes brutal, saves the day in the '68 playoffs over and over...[/B]
[img] http://www.nba.com/media/playoffs2004/historic_69_sam_jones_shot_grab.jpg[/img]
[B]Sam Jones saves the day {again, after again, again, again, again, and again} with the Picket Fence....
[/B]
[img]http://cdn.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-product-image/don-nelson-boston-celtics-vintage-photos11-99-t4251728-170.jpg[/img]
[B]Don Nelson clanks in probably the luckiest Finals shot in NBA history in '69.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ah...Sam Jones...
How about this from Bill Russell, himself...
[url]http://www.celtic-nation.com/interviews/sam_jones/sam_jones_page1.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]
I wonder what sort of numbers Sam Jones would have put up on a worse team where he was the man. Are we talking West numbers? Because the dude is nearly forgotten today. Russell, Hondo and sometimes Cousy get mentioned. But Jones rarely does. Does he even get top 50 mention?
[QUOTE=Marchesk]I wonder what sort of numbers Sam Jones would have put up on a worse team where he was the man. Are we talking West numbers? Because the dude is nearly forgotten today. Russell, Hondo and sometimes Cousy get mentioned. But Jones rarely does. Does he even get top 50 mention?[/QUOTE]
dude was Top 50 with a ROCKET
[img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31xEvXGVcML.jpg[/img]
All players and coaches knew what he was.
Fearless, great defense, very very smart on the court, blazing fast until '68, amazing bank shot..... 10 rings.
I severely doubt Russell wins [B][I]any[/I][/B] rings in the '60s without Sam Jones.
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Fearless, great defense, very very smart on the court, blazing fast until '68, amazing bank shot..... 10 rings.
I severely doubt Russell wins [B][I]any[/I][/B] rings in the '60s without Sam Jones.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?
[QUOTE=Marchesk]If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?[/QUOTE]
Probably because he led two more teams, post-Russell, to titles.
[QUOTE=Marchesk]If that's the case, then why is Hondo considered top 20-25 material, and not Jones?[/QUOTE]
He was silent, man. Nobody knows who he is. Very seldom gave interviews, avoided the limelight, hated glitz.
Never as great as Oscar Robertson or Jerry West..... but he was right behind them and always surrounded by great, great teams... STACKED teams.... and he was more than glad to make a bench guy shine when he got the hot hand.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Probably because he led two more teams, post-Russell, to titles.[/QUOTE]
yeah. Hondo ran things after those guys retired, for nearly a decade. He had some of the greatest seasons in history in the early '70s but even THAT is unknown.
Comparing Wilt and Russell with box score statistics is meaningless, and if anything takes away from the argument.
Regardless, you could give Russell an even better roster than he already had, and he still wouldn't win. Wilt made it his mission to win that year, and nobody stopped Wilt from getting what he wanted.