This YT video explains and shows why the no zone defense was much easier to play in.

[QUOTE=Asukal]Dude you are a blind mfcker. All iso starts with one defender, when MJ drives 2-3 help defenders were waiting on the paint. MJ shooting a jumper over ainge demonstrates exactly what beats a zone defense. Your agenda driven thread is hilarious, the GOAT living rent free on your minds. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Ball movement and perimeter shooting beats a zone. So getting it out of an individuals hands and actually moving the ball. Hence, a decrease in individual greatness and reliance on one superstar.

[QUOTE=Asukal][B]That video reeks of ignorance and bias[/B]. I did watch it and I instantly knew the uploader has zero credibility whatsoever. Rent free. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Because it shows what you don't want the facts to prove.

[QUOTE=plowking]Ball movement and perimeter shooting beats a zone. So getting it out of an individuals hands and actually moving the ball. Hence, a decrease in individual greatness and reliance on one superstar.[/QUOTE]

What's going to stop a coach from setting up plays for his SUPERSTAR to get open perimeter shots? Specially since zone don't cover like man to man defense. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Because it shows what you don't want the facts to prove.[/QUOTE]

Nah, it shows you and many people are idiots and don't understand how the game is played. Rent free. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Because it shows what you don't want the facts to prove.[/QUOTE]
You mean bodies of evidence - we're forming opinions with bodies of evidence here as the topic in question is an area of gray not black or white/fact or fiction.

Now, in order to form accurate opinions as much data as possible needs to be collected. All sides, people, testimony need to be represented. That isn't being done here though, not ALL players think a zone for example, is more difficult to score on or play against. I've heard Oscar Robertson dismiss zone as an opportunity to get more 3 point shots and layups. Why didn't the uploader include that interview in his video? Because it does not suit his agenda, he has an agenda. Like I said he's not trying to be some arbiter of truth and objectivity, he's trying to show the opinions and plays that suit his agenda. He wouldn't express the same opinion in all his videos (MJ sucks, the NBA is rigged) over and over again if he was objective and truth seeking just trying to help NBA fans understand the game, that isn't his plans at all. He's a tin foil hat fan only crafting and presenting the narrative he's believed all along, whether he could have found examples to support it or not.

Not this again :oldlol:

According to Synergy Sports, 'Zone' is played 2.7% of all defensive possessions league wide and teams actually score better on higher percentages against it than straight man (think someone pointed that out earlier). Scoring, pace, shooting percentages have increased markedly since the introduction of the the 3-second violation and the elimination of hand-checking. And actual zone was common place in the pre-2001 era, ask me for details.

The Cavaliers [I]second option[/I] has 2 50 point games this season alone. Let that marinate on your brain for a minute.

Can't really expect ish to enter this with an open mind, but the video is somewhat legit in the small corner it attempts to paint. The mj iso and going into 3 defenders was a fail though, I'm sure he could have found something better than that. The strategic 3 in the key part was telling. Also he was correct in the shading aspect of the zone being one of the most challenging aspects of it for stars. Just because today's stars adapted to it doesn't mean they wouldn't be better without it.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Not this again :oldlol:

According to Synergy Sports, 'Zone' is played 2.7% of all defensive possessions league wide and teams actually score better on higher percentages against it than straight man (think someone pointed that out earlier). Scoring, pace, shooting percentages have increased markedly since the introduction of the the 3-second violation and the elimination of hand-checking. And actual zone was common place in the pre-2001 era, ask me for details.

The Cavaliers [I]second option[/I] has 2 50 point games this season alone. Let that marinate on your brain for a minute.[/QUOTE]

Is synergy specifying a full zone in those numbers, or hybrid zones? I'm pretty sure the hybrid types are the most utilized, which the shading he illustrated comes from.

Here goes don again with his bullshit

Define a zone

It's WAY more than just zones

The way in which you can double team now

There is literally no restriction on defenses now

The 05 handcheck rule was necessary because the rules were in favor of defenses from 2001-2004, when record defensive numbers were recorded

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]Here goes don again with his bullshit[/QUOTE]

Yup, videos made by random nobodies on youtube = legit evidence. But empirical data from the company the NBA employs to track every single play during the season/postseason = Don's bullshit.

Story checks out.

[QUOTE]There is literally no restriction on defenses now[/QUOTE]

Except defenders not being able to stay in the paint for more than 2.9 seconds or physically impede offensive players. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]The 05 handcheck rule was necessary [B]because the rules were in favor of defenses from 2001-2004[/B], when record defensive numbers were recorded[/QUOTE]

But defense is better now because those rules were amended? Makes perfect sense. Take a bow. :applause:

And let it be known

All I'm saying is teamwork is required a heck of a lot more nowadays to win compared to previous eras

No one is questioning Jordan's ability to play today

You can't get away with relying on one player these days, and hope for success

This era is not kind to individual production. This is the truth.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Yup, videos made by random nobodies on youtube = legit evidence. But empirical data from the company the NBA employs to track every single play during the season/postseason = Don's bullshit.

Story checks out.



Except defenders not being able to stay in the paint for more than 2.9 seconds or physically impede offensive players. :confusedshrug:



But defense is better now because those rules were amended? Makes perfect sense. Take a bow. :applause:[/QUOTE]
The 3 seconds rule has always been around. It was just listed under the illegal defense rules.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]The 3 seconds rule has always been around. It was just listed under the illegal defense rules.[/QUOTE]

Not in the paint.

But we've been down this road already. You know I've got the goods to make it so you can't show your face in this thread again like before with the same idea threads you started a few days ago. Why are you making me do this to you? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Yup, videos made by random nobodies on youtube = legit evidence. But empirical data from the company the NBA employs to track every single play during the season/postseason = Don's bullshit.

Story checks out.[/QUOTE]

So no info on whether or not that only tracks full zones or partial ones too? Shades on one player?

[QUOTE=Dro]Answer this basic question or your thread is a fail. If zone is so effective, why don't teams play it more than 10% of the time? Simple question...[/QUOTE]
And it would be great if he could explain this ditty too...

[quote]The league overall actually scored more efficiently against zone than man last season, according to Synergy."[/quote]

I'll be on later to destroy you don