Similar to Wade which stars of today will have the saddest decline

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]In general players who rely too much in athleticism and high physical risk movements, who re not elite shooters and/or have elite skills.

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I agree. So much of Westbrooks impact is he explosive relentless attack. Foul shots, TOs and field goal % will go down unless he adapts.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Why is that surprising? He's played more minutes than anyone else has by his age and has made it to the finals in 4 consecutive seasons, as well as making it to at least the second round in every season of his career where he's made the playoffs. If he wasn't showing signs of decline it'd be unusual to say to the least.[/QUOTE]
Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he won't age as well.

Plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

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[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he CAN'T age well..

plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url][/QUOTE]

How does that have any bearing on what I said? LeBron should be declining considering the way he plays and the extremely heavy minutes he's logged in the regular season and the playoffs.

I have no idea how Ron Artest saying MJ was harder to defend than LeBron is relevant to that in any way.

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he won't age as well.

Plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url][/QUOTE]

A 38 year old MJ? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Why is that surprising?

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[SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has a much better supporting cast.
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[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has such a great supporting cast.[/QUOTE]


Can't compare the two players. One has a higher skill level and the other has insecurities

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]How does that have any bearing on what I said? [B]LeBron should be declining considering the way he plays and the extremely heavy minutes he's logged in the regular season and the playoffs.[/B]

I have no idea how Ron Artest saying MJ was harder to defend than LeBron is relevant to that in any way.[/QUOTE]
Threw a Ron Artest shoutout in there.

I agree. LeBron has logged ridiculous minutes playing with an agressive style that is impactful. 24 didn't even mention the Olympic obligations cutting short his time for an offseason.

[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has such a great supporting cast.[/QUOTE]

Jordan started his career later as far as age, that's not a fair comparison and you know it. LeBron also logged heavier playoff minutes through his first ten seasons relative to Jordan.

There hasn't been a player in NBA history with as much minutes based wear and tear as LeBron by age-30, there's no reason he shouldn't be declining.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]J[B]ordan started his career later as far as age, that's not a fair comparison and you know it. LeBron also logged heavier playoff minutes through his first ten seasons relative to Jordan. [/B]

There hasn't been a player in NBA history with as much minutes based wear and tear as LeBron by age-30, there's no reason he shouldn't be declining.[/QUOTE]
Beat me to it. LeBron went straight into an 82 game season.

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Beat me to it. LeBron went straight into an 82 game season.

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Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is declining and finished - so MJ's huge statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.

[QUOTE=3ball]Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is done - so MJ's statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.[/QUOTE]

Can you seriously f[COLOR="DimGray"]u[/COLOR]ck off? No one said his prime did, or should, reach MJ levels.

Fact of the matter is that LeBron has shouldered a heavier load than anyone else in basketball history as far as minutes, not only is his decline inevitable but it should be occurring earlier than it did for someone like Jordan. We're talking about declining athletes, your incessant agenda doesn't belong.

[QUOTE=3ball]Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is declining and finished - so MJ's huge statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.[/QUOTE]
Not really. LeBron might alter his game in his later years as mid to low post scorer who focuses more on setting up rising beast Kyrie to fully realize his potential.

Sure, maybe when he is 34 we will look back fondly as his huge scoring outbursts like the 61 (62?) against Charlotte missing that stage of his career or maybe he will have a more creative post and effective post/paint game and reduce his shot attempts to find opportunites for Kyrie to shine maybe break 10 assists a game. Maybe more Magic than Mj in his twilight years.

That and maybe he will win a few more titles and Finals MVPs.

I am disapointed in him this year and I fear he is declining ATHLETICALLY but leaving Miami for a team with a new coach, system and other players new to the team also contribute to his loss of efficacy.

[QUOTE=RonSwanson]Melo. [B]He'll never get that championship[/B][/QUOTE]

negged.

it will be Lebron for sure, even if you hate him you can't deny he is just a special physical specimen whom many, even his haters, look upto as basically a hero in terms of human ability and athleticism. When he declines its going to be a stark reminder to all of us that noone can escape the jagged claws of father time.

I don't see how Westbrook can keep this pace. Seems like he's getting multiple surgeries every season.