The modern era is the TEAM era

[QUOTE=robby712]I think he was trying to say that now you can't be just a rebounder or just a good passer on the floor. To be a good player on a good team means you have to have at least two abilities from scoring/rebounding/defense/playmaking.
Also, if you consider who won the title in the last years, the Heat, Spurs and GSW they all had multiple players that are good playmakers on the floor at the same time. It's crucial to have that because defensive schemes have gotten smarter. The Heat had James and Wade, maybe Chalmers and Allen also. And they could win without rebounding and interior defense. The Spurs had Parker, Ginobili, Diaw and maybe Duncan. And they won without a great scorer. GSW had Curry and Green and they won without size. This a main reason why teams like Houston, Clippers or the Grizzlies couldn't go all the way this year. They only have Paul,Harden and Conley.[/QUOTE]

There is no other era Historically but this one where a player of DeAndre Jordan's caliber is a max contract player. Absolutely none.

There are one or at best two dimensional players now who are making all NBA first teams and getting max dollars where in the past they would've been coming off the bench.

Lol weak argument dan

[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Lol weak argument dan[/QUOTE]

Kendrick Perkins, bitch. Argue against that.

[IMG]https://flamingbagofpoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/kendrick-perkins-champion.jpg[/IMG]

ha ok

[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0l1UUv8.gif[/IMG]


[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-11-2015/5_A_4K.gif[/IMG]


The ball goes out of the star players hands


[/QUOTE]
Wow bro, DonDadda and juju are really doing a number on you... No shame in saying [I]no mas[/I] when you're getting your ass handed to you like that.

It's funny too because I was just thinking how unbelievable MJ and Wade would've been together in today's spacing - just imagine Wade with the ball on the strongside.. The defense would have to pick their poison - either let Wade operate on a strongside where the defensive resistance has been decimated by weakside spacing, or, flood the strongside and leave the weakside a man down where the greatest off-ball player ever is lurking and ready.

Heck, in the 80's and 90's, MJ's off-ball game decimated fully-flooded strongsides that contained all 5 defenders (seen above).. In today's game, where the spacing causes the weakside and strongside to split the defenders evenly, MJ's explosively athletic off-ball game would run roughshod.

People forget that today's spacing doesn't just provide wider driving lanes for the ballhandler - spacing benefits off-ball players just as much, since they benefit from late, rotating defenses as well as any scheme used to stop today's lethal, spacing-inspired drive-and-kick (like the aforementioned strongside flood).
.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]is that why Bran just played an entire finals going iso ball..

can bran not play a team game..??[/QUOTE]
Still averaged 8 or 9 assists in the series including a couple 40 pt triple doubles. People mistake ISO ball for the guy ISOing taking a shot everytime. That's not necessarily how it works. ISO often results in drawing defense towards your direction (not necessarily double team) and dishing it out for an open shooter. It's just that Shumpert/Smith weren't hitting at the clip they normally were like against Atlanta, or the Boston series despite there being a ton of ISO ball in those series too.

And it's pretty obvious that LeBron doesn't like ISOing that much, but was forced to since he is basically the only shot creator with Love/Kyrie out and JR Smith playing terribly.

But he won 2 rings playing team ball and generally played team ball his whole career including the old Cleveland team. This series was a rare exception because there literally wasn't another shot creator. I thought all of this was fairly obvious though. But either way, this notion that LeBron "can't play team ball" is just simply retarded, especially after years of you guys saying he passes too much and should always be the one to take the last shot of the game. Seems like that is just contradictory if anything.

[QUOTE=robby712]I think he was trying to say that now you can't be just a rebounder or just a good passer on the floor. To be a good player on a good team means you have to have at least two abilities from scoring/rebounding/defense/playmaking.
Also, if you consider who won the title in the last years, the Heat, Spurs and GSW they all had multiple players that are good playmakers on the floor at the same time. It's crucial to have that because defensive schemes have gotten smarter. The Heat had James and Wade, maybe Chalmers and Allen also. And they could win without rebounding and interior defense. The Spurs had Parker, Ginobili, Diaw and maybe Duncan. And they won without a great scorer. GSW had Curry and Green and they won without size. This a main reason why teams like Houston, Clippers or the Grizzlies couldn't go all the way this year. They only have Paul,Harden and Conley.[/QUOTE]
Honestly pretty good points all around.

I'm not sure what the OP means by modern era, but I'd say things have been pretty team oriented in the 2000s as well. The Pistons, Lakers with the triangle, and of course the prime Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs were all very team oriented despite being top heavy. Lakers had two stars covering a good amount of the scoring, but those guys were also doing other things to help the team as a whole. I still think 2014 Spurs is the most team oriented of all the Spurs teams. It was truly equal opportunity and you honestly could have made a case for like 3-4 different guys being FMVP. 2015 Warriors were a pretty well balanced team too. Curry was the lead scorer, but he wasn't dropping 30 ppg. All the role players would throw in on scoring and it could be a different role player each night who has a big night.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]There is no other era Historically but this one where a player of DeAndre Jordan's caliber is a max contract player. Absolutely none.

There are one or at best two dimensional players now who are making all NBA first teams and getting max dollars where in the past they would've been coming off the bench.[/QUOTE]

It depends on what you consider a max contract. DeAndre is a special case. The LAC need his type of player to be a very good team. They need his defense and size, and also his dunks and energy. There wasn't another player with his abilities so they had to overpay. But even so, consider this:
In 1995-1996 Dikembe Mutombo's numbers were 11/12 with 4 blocks.
In 2014-2015 Jordan's numbers were 11.5/15 with 2 blocks.
In 1996 Mutombo moved to Atlanta and his salary was 8 million $.
DeAndre's deal with the LAC is almost 20 million $.
The cap for the 96/97 season was 24.3 million, so Mutombo's salary was 1/3 of the cap.
The cap for the 15/16 season is 70 million, so DeAndre is at less then 1/3 of the cap.
Don't judge his money based on value itself. Players earn a lot more that they did 20 years ago.

Curry 28 ppg in the playoffs. Curry the best iso scorer right now. Just because bran cant doesnt mean its not effective anymore

OP is 100% right. Basketball is just better nowadays. Lebron > MJ

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Kendrick Perkins, bitch. Argue against that.

[IMG]https://flamingbagofpoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/kendrick-perkins-champion.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Ether.

[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]OP is 100% right. Basketball is just better nowadays. Lebron > MJ[/QUOTE]


Your ass better get back to work before 20Four sees you slacking off. Them burgers ain't gonna flip themselves.

[QUOTE=robby712]It depends on what you consider a max contract. DeAndre is a special case. The LAC need his type of player to be a very good team. They need his defense and size, and also his dunks and energy. There wasn't another player with his abilities so they had to overpay. But even so, consider this:
In 1995-1996 Dikembe Mutombo's numbers were 11/12 with 4 blocks.
In 2014-2015 Jordan's numbers were 11.5/15 with 2 blocks.
In 1996 Mutombo moved to Atlanta and his salary was 8 million $.
DeAndre's deal with the LAC is almost 20 million $.
The cap for the 96/97 season was 24.3 million, so Mutombo's salary was 1/3 of the cap.
The cap for the 15/16 season is 70 million, so DeAndre is at less then 1/3 of the cap.
Don't judge his money based on value itself. Players earn a lot more that they did 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]
This.

I agree with OP

love how the op picks and chooses which posts he replies to.