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[QUOTE=catch24]3ball!....3ball!....3ball!....3ball!....
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Somewhere, 3ball has just sensed a thread has been made to diminish the greatness of Jordan. In the words of Martin Lawrence, in the movie [I]Bad Boys[/I], "Sh[i]i[/i]t just got real."
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Somewhere, 3ball has just sensed a thread has been made to diminish the greatness of Jordan. In the words of Martin Lawrence, in the movie [I]Bad Boys[/I], "Sh[i]i[/i]t just got real."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ShaqTwizzle]The 2005 handchecking rules were also a HUGE change.
In 2006 you had like 50 guys averaging 30-ppg while in 2004 it was like.... 2 guys.[/QUOTE]
Kobe and Iverson averaged 30 PPG BEFORE the changes.
LeBron was a 6' 8" 250+ pound beast. ****ing hand-check. No-one is controlling him with their hands.
Thread cliffs;
1979 handchecking ban - Increased scoring
1981 Illegal defense rules - Increased scoring
2001 removal of illegal defense - potential for more advanced team defensive schemes (Ball side box - Thibs) Not fully taken advantage of til 2008 with Boston.... Decrease isolation and post up scoring - Decrease scoring
2004 handcheck - Loosened up perimeter defenders initially, refs now more lenient in rule... Overstated... Did have an effect, but was essentially negated once the 2001 Illegal defense rules were fully taken advantage of with strong side flooding schemes
[QUOTE=Foster5k]:oldlol:
Somewhere, 3ball has just sensed a thread has been made to diminish the greatness of Jordan. In the words of Martin Lawrence, in the movie [I]Bad Boys[/I], "Sh[i]i[/i]t just got real."[/QUOTE]
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:applause: :applause: :applause: You Impress me with your Knowledge.
Handcheck rules are pretty irrelevant for star players anyways. They can't be touched. Doesn't matter what era.
What does matter however, is zone/strong side flooding... It isn't something you can tweak for a star player. Jordan played in an era where spacing was enforced by the rules [B](Rule enforced spacing)[/B].... Today spacing is personnel enforced spacing via 3 point shooting ability [B](Skill encouraged spacing)[/B]. [U]You are obliged[/U] to clear the lane in Rule enforced spacing due to the rules of illegal defense. [U]You are not obliged[/U] to clear the lane in skill encouraged spacing.
Failure to clear the lane in Rule enforced spacing will result in a technical foul
Modern skill encouraged spacing is completely dependent on the ability of all 5 players on the court
Rule enforced spacing is completely dependent on the guidelines of the Illegal Defense rule schemes
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3ball: I am vengeance! I am the night! I am 3ball!
[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]Kobe and Iverson averaged 30 PPG BEFORE the changes.
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Kobe was with Shaq and he only did it once so it is hard to compare.
Even then his volume + efficiency in his best scoring seasons after the changes were better despite facing more defensive attention being on his own.
Iverson despite being past his Peak put up his highest PPG season in 06 and on considerably better efficiency then his pre-05 30-ppg seasons.
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LeBron was a 6' 8" 250+ pound beast. ****ing hand-check. No-one is controlling him with their hands.[/QUOTE]
[B]Lebron in 2004 (before the changes) :[/B] 20ppg on 49%TS...
Slashers who don't have a great jumper (Iverson / Young Lebron) would be hurt the most by physical handchecking or pre-05 rules.
Most important stat is "%eFG" for scale to "defensive and offensive freedoms" .
Toughest era is 50's cause players no freedoms on offence and always keep harder fouls and get to the ft line . 50's Had ; Most Ft/fg rations , lowest %efg , league defensive rating averages was between 0.8 - 0.9 and lowest fgm .
60's more playable era at offence than 50's . Mikan give the freedoms for short players(under 2 meter) at offence like hand checking .
And Mikan once again shows self , ABA ..
ABA is the best American league at between 74-76 . And Nba evolution to be like ABA's . More freedoms at offence , 3pt line , etc .
And After Erving effect , players are to be more acrobatics and athletics ; like Jordan,Drexler,Wilkins etc.. And rules evolution for these guys , hand check etc .
After 1994 playoffs hand check more important than other things cause Nba don't want to scrimpy games for the league and people .
2001 defensive rule is good for me but nba don't wanna tough league , they want to be show league . And after 2005 rule , Wade attempt 19 ft per game at last 4 games of 2006 Finals .
I'm gonna rate era's toughness(don't playable) ;
Before 50 - 10
50's - 9
60's - 8
70's - 7
80's - 5
90's - 5
00-05 - 6
05-present - 4
[QUOTE=ShaqTwizzle]Look here.
Compared 2004 against 2006.
2004 *year before the rule changes
2006 *year when the new changes really sunk in
Pretty dramatic difference.
#10 in 2006 would be #2 in 2004.[/QUOTE]
So the league rule changes sunk in by 2006...Because? :oldlol:
By that logic, if the rules didn't sink in by then because...guys just scored more that year...
Then the rules have been adjusted to today because while there are great scorers, no-one is getting up to 35, 33, and 31 PPG...
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Then the rules have been adjusted to today because while there are great scorers, no-one is getting up to 35, 33, and 31 PPG...[/QUOTE]
The rules have been adjusted since then.
They "peaked" in 06 & 07 when they were overly enforced and defenders couldn't breath on a guy without being called for a foul.
Since then the league re-calibrated and started allowing a more reasonable degree of physicality between an offensive player and his defender.
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[QUOTE=Lensanity]The first meaningful post in GIF REACTION's ISH career :applause:[/QUOTE]
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This is the same recycled and debunked garbage he posts at least twice a week. But again, it's on me to put him to sleep. Round and round we go. :rolleyes:
[B][QUOTE]1981 - Illegal Defense Guidelines put in place to increase scoring and open up the paint[/QUOTE][/B]
The illegal defense rules were not only not the most important changes in NBA History, they were BY FAR the biggest failure ever to come out of the rules committee. If the idea was to increase scoring and eliminate zone, then you know why the NBA gave up on them at the turn of the century.
[B][U]Scoring stats in 1980 (Last season before Illegal D Rules implemented)
[/U][/B]PPG: 109
Pace: 103.1
eFG: .486
[B][U]Scoring stats in 1990[/U][/B]
PPG: 107
Pace: 98.3
eFG: .489
[B][U]Scoring stats in 2001[/U][/B]
PPG: 94.8
Pace: 91.3
eFG: .473
As you can see, if the idea was to increase scoring then the illegal defense rules were an unequivocal failure. In the 20 years they were in place, scoring PLUMMETED, as did pace and shooting percentage. With the rise of the Bad Boy Pistons and their Jordan Rules, other teams emulated them (most notably Riley's Knicks) and the game became slower, rougher, more defense oriented. [B]Scoring from '90-'99 alone dropped from 107 to 91 PPG[/B]. :eek:
In fact, the only time in NBA History when scoring, pace, and shooting percentages increased was in the post 00s rule changes era.
[B][U]'00-'01 (last season of illegal D)[/U][/B]
PPG: 94.8
Pace: 91.3
eFG: .473
[B][U]'13-'14[/U][/B]
PPG: 101
Pace: 93.9
eFG: .501 (all time high)
[B][COLOR="Red"]TLDR:[/COLOR][/B] Illegal D era- scoring, pace, shooting plummets. 'Zone era'- scoring, pace, shooting increases for the only time ever in NBA History.
And if the other purpose of the Illegal D Rules was to curtail zone... Again, colossal failure...
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LA QUINTA, Calif. -- [B][COLOR="Red"]Responding to [SIZE="5"]the proliferation of all-out zone defenses being implemented as the 1988-89 season unfolded[/SIZE], the Competition Committee of the National Basketball Association has, for the umpteenth time, attempted to address the matter at the league meetings.
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"We received a great many complaints, especially over the last third of the season," said league vice president of operations Rod Thorn.
[B] -'NBA TARGETS ZONE DEFENSE', Boston Globe
9/18/89 [/B][/INDENT]
The NBA in the 2 decades following the implementation of the rules tried countless times to stop [I]the proliferation of all-out zone defense[/I], to no avail. Teams played zones throughout the 80s-90s.
[INDENT]The NBA has always outlawed zone defenses guarding an area of the floor, instead of a man by the logic that giant centers would dominate the game too much if allowed to roam around and the 24-second shot clock places enough pressure on the offense. Through the years, the no-zone idea has evolved into the latest rule, adopted in 1981 after Cotton Fitzsimmons, Don Nelson and [B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"]Dick Motta [/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]holed up in a room and [B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"]came up with the guidelines[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B].
[B]-ILLEGAL DEFENSE RULE IS AS CONFUSING AS NEW TAX LAWS AND FULL OF NEARLY AS MANY LOOPHOLES
By Kurt Kragthorpe, Sports Writer
Thursday, April 14 1988 [/B]
NBA coach/Illegal D creator Dick Motta in 1996:
What particularly bothers Motta is that many teams try to get away with zone defenses now, content to only be penalized by a technical foul. [B][COLOR="Red"]"[SIZE="4"]Our teams are zoning now. Rule or no rule. We're not allowed to use the word `zone' but it's a zone[/SIZE]," Motta said.
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[B]-THE NBA HAS THIS RULE ABOUT ILLEGAL DEFENSE, BUT WHO CAN EXPLAIN IT, AND WILL IT EVER GO AWAY? A TWILIGHT ZONE (LA Daily News April 14, 1996 Scott Wolf)[/B][/INDENT]
The Illegal D Rules were literally useless outside the odd technical every once in a while. Teams still played zone openly. Real zones too, no clearing out the lane every 3 seconds bullshit. The refs could not consistently enforce anything, had little to no understanding of the complex.
The architect of the Illegal D Rules himself was on record 15 years after he crafted them, saying that the rules were useless. Motta was on the committee that abolished the illegal D rules and started the process of changes that caused the first ever increase in scoring, pace, and shooting percentages in NBA History.
Same time in a few days, ImStillSnitchin? :cheers:
[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]Kobe and Iverson averaged 30 PPG BEFORE the changes.
LeBron was a 6' 8" 250+ pound beast. ****ing hand-check. No-one is controlling him with their hands.[/QUOTE]
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[INDENT]CHICAGO -- Kobe Bryant said it's been hard to watch the Los Angeles Lakers as they've struggled in his absence, but it turns out he doesn't like watching the NBA in general with the way it is currently being played and officiated across the league.
"It's more of a finesse game," Bryant said before the Lakers played the Chicago Bulls on Monday. "It's more small ball, which, personally, I don't really care much for. I like kind of smash-mouth, old-school basketball because that's what I grew up watching. I also think it's much, much less physical. Some of the flagrant fouls that I see called nowadays, it makes me nauseous. You can't touch a guy without it being a flagrant foul."
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"]Bryant said that the hand-check rule that was introduced nearly a decade ago during the 2004-05 season has made it easier for less-talented players to succeed.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B] Bryant said Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni is at least partially responsible for the shift in style of play across the league.
"I like the contact," Bryant said. "As a defensive player, if you enjoy playing defense, that's what you want. You want to be able to put your hands on a guy. You want to be able to hand check a little bit. [B][COLOR="Red"]The truth is, it makes the game [where] players have to be more skillful. Nowadays, literally anybody can get out there and get to the basket and you can't touch anybody. Back then, if guys put their hands on you, you had to have the skill to be able to go both ways, change direction, post up, you had to have a mid-range game because you didn't want to go all the way to the basket because you would get knocked ass over tea kettle. So I think playing the game back then required much more skill."[/COLOR][/B]
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