Lebron's time of possession in 2015 Finals was 50% higher than RS leader

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This is so rare because you never get a team with such a weak supporting cast make the NBA finals

Let alone sweep a 60 win team

It takes a GOAT tier player to do these things

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron is an all-time great, but so is Barkley and Malone and Pete Maravich.

For once, accept the statistical facts - Lebron takes more time to score than any non-pg in today's gamee... and for him to achieve his Finals stats, he needed a whopping FIFTY PERCENT MORE time of possession than the regular season leader..

And of course, he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

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Maravichi is kinda pusing it on all time great. But again what's your point?

Lebron IS the point guard for the cavs or at least was in the finals. He was also the offensive scorer. He's a pass first player....which we all know.

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horseshit... We don't have stats for past greats..

The reality is that Lebron's teammates shot better than he did in the Finals - they shot 43.3% eFG to his 43.2%.

Lebron's Finals stats were not great - his FG% and defense ruined it...

MJ's impact was greater when he averaged 41/9/6/51 in 1993 Finals [COLOR="Blue"][I]with GOAT defense[/I][/COLOR].......... or his 33/7/11/56 in 1991 Finals, with GOAT defense.

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That's by 538 btw.
Right here:
[url]http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/[/url]

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[B][COLOR="Red"]Get some glasses... Seriously - you're literally misreading the stats.
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[COLOR="Blue"][B]According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less..

There is no way to refute this - if you put your faith in 538, the list says MJ won with less.[/B][/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=3ball]horseshit... We don't have stats for past greats..

The reality is that Lebron's teammates shot better than he did in the Finals - they shot 43.3% eFG to his 43.2%.

Lebron's Finals stats were not great - his FG% and defense ruined it...

MJ's impact was greater when he averaged 41/9/6/51 in 1993 Finals [COLOR="Blue"][I]with GOAT defense[/I][/COLOR].......... or his 33/7/11/56 in 1991 Finals, with GOAT defense.[/QUOTE]

So now you're just saying stuff without any clue what you're talking about? If you don't have any evidence shut up. God, stop insulting MJ. MJ was the GOAT! He shouldn't have slime like you insulting his legacy!

3ball schooling these youngsters as usual.

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[QUOTE=3ball]How dumb are you?
According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less..

There is no way to refute this - if you put your faith in 538, the list says MJ won with less - you dumb ****[/quote]

Bro MJ is better than lebron. I don't care how many times you try and claim otherwise. STOP POSTING THIS CRAP.

MJ> Lebron

Stop trying to sell people on lebron being better than MJ. Christ, you just won't stop!

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This is by far the largest offensive rating increase by a superstar simply because supporting casts this weak never make the NBA finals... You need a very special type of player to be able to do this

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This isn't true - we don't have data for MJ's Finals where he played much better than Lebron on both ends... nor do we have stats for Magic, or Stockton, or anyone else.

Here's what we do know: Lebron played horrible defense and shot 39% despite not getting double-teamed, while having 50% higher time of possession than anyone had all year.
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[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]This is by far the largest offensive rating increase by a superstar simply because supporting casts this weak never make the NBA finals... You need a very special type of player to be able to do this[/QUOTE]

Eastern conference where their biggest obstacle was the phucking Hawks.

STFU.

[QUOTE=3ball]This isn't true - we don't have data for MJ's Finals where he played much better than Lebron on both ends, or Magic, or Stockton, or anyone else.

Here's what we do know: Lebron shot 39% despite not getting double-teamed or having 50% higher time of possession than anyone had all year.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect

We do have the data

Jordan doesn't come close because he had a significantly stronger supporting cast, which minimizes his impact on the team offensive rating

[QUOTE=3ball]This isn't true - we don't have data for MJ's Finals where he played much better than Lebron on both ends, or Magic, or Stockton, or anyone else.

Here's what we do know: Lebron shot 39% despite not getting double-teamed or having 50% higher time of possession than anyone had all year.[/QUOTE]

So like I keep saying. MJ likely was more valuable but just because i can't prove it doesn't mean MJ wasn't the goat. seriously....

As many of you may already know I am a big time Pacers fan but I am a fan of the Cavaliers as well. LeBron did have an uphill battle vs the Warriors and MVP Steph Curry and put up guady numbers, however it was at the sacrifice of ball sharing and an equal opportunity offense. LeBron put up a lot of points but his efficiency was way off, this plus the sheer amount of time he was dominating the ball lead to a non winning style of basketball and ended up hurting us overal. If LeBron mixed in more off ball game with less ball domination he could of gotten our 3 point shooters much more involved. This would of helped spread the floor for LeBron to start working inside again. Instead LeBrons ball dominating, playground style basketball allowed Golden State to gameplan accordingly and take the series.

[QUOTE=3ball][B][COLOR="Red"]Get some glasses... Seriously - you're literally misreading the stats.
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[COLOR="Blue"][B]According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less..

There is no way to refute this - if you put your faith in 538, the list says MJ won with less.[/B][/COLOR]
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You're right I misread what you wrote and edited the post. I thought you were referring to 2015.

I don't understand what you're trying to say in this thread. You think Dr J would have taken the Cavs further than Lebron?