Re: Percentage of points scored while player is on floor
[QUOTE=3ball]That's ludicrous, since Jordan was more efficient than Lebron and others... Jordan [I]did more[/I] at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.
If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.
[SIZE="1"][U]Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:[/U]
JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts[/size]
If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack - while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.[/QUOTE]
Why does Jordan only get 66% to 70% of LeBrons rebounds and assists?
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[QUOTE=Bay Area Baller]OP is right Jordan was a ball hog.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
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[QUOTE=G0ATbe]
Curry > Jordan.
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I]JORDAN 1997[/I].... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
[I]JORDAN 1998[/I].... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
[COLOR="Red"][I]CURRY 2015[/I]..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6[/COLOR]
[I]CURRY 2016[/I]..... 36.7..... 43.6
As you can see, Curry won a championship in 2015 without having to do NEARLY as much as MJ did.
This season, his proportion of scoring is nearly the same as MJ's thru 25 games, except Currry gets 25% from transition and MJ only got 7% from transition.... Also, let's see if Curry can score half his team's 4th quarter points in the playoffs while winning a championship like MJ did..
Also, MJ had many stretches that were superior to Curry's across the board, including this one from 1991:
[size="1"][COLOR="Blue"][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic]Jordan 1991 (25 games)[/url]: 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"][U]Curry. 2016 (25 games)[/U]: 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg[/COLOR][/size]
MJ had many more superior stretches, such as his first 20 games of the Finals, where he averaged 36/7/7 on 51%, while garnering 3 fmvps and a 3-0 lead towards his 4th fmvp... He also averaged 35/7/7 on 50% in 1986-1993 playoffs (107 games).
Re: Percentage of points scored while player is on floor
[QUOTE=MMKM]So what?[/QUOTE]
He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team.
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[QUOTE=dhsilv]
He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team
[/QUOTE]
Nah, just showing how MJ carried the biggest load of all time.
[QUOTE=dhsilv]
He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team.
[/QUOTE]
Oh, and that's ludicrous, since Jordan was more efficient than Lebron and others... Jordan [I]did more[/I] at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.
If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.
[SIZE="1"][U]Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:[/U]
JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts[/size]
If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack - while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.
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[QUOTE=3ball][B]CONCLUSIONS:
[/B]
[I]1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.
2) [B]Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's [U]always[/U] increased, and significantly.[/B]
3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor, [B]which is GOAT[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
Am I reading your OP wrong or are you just being your usual retarded self?
Decrease in points for LeBron in the RS happened once in '12, once in the PO's in 14, and twice in the Finals in '11 and '14. There were a bunch of blowouts in the EC PO's and Finals in '14. That would explain the decline in production. '11 was obviously a choke.
Curry's numbers NEVER dropped from what I can see.
Where did you get "Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points [U]often[/U] DECLINED in the 4th quarter" from?
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[QUOTE=3ball]
[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I]JORDAN 1997[/I].... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
[I]JORDAN 1998[/I].... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
[I]LEBRON 2009[/I].... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
[I]LEBRON 2010[/I].... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
[I]LEBRON 2011[/I].... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
[I]LEBRON 2012[/I].... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
[I]LEBRON 2013[/I].... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
[I]LEBRON 2014[/I].... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
[I]LEBRON 2015[/I].... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
[I]LEBRON 2016[/I].... 33.1..... 41.9
[I]CURRY 2015[/I]..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
[I]CURRY 2016[/I]..... 36.7..... 43.6
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=aj1987]
[B][COLOR="Red"]A decrease in points for LeBron happened in:[/COLOR][/B]
- once in '12 reg season
- once in the PO's in 14
- twice in the Finals in '11 and '14.
[/QUOTE]
^^^^ That's a super-ton dude, whereas it NEVER happened for Jordan.. Your excuses sound childishly delusional: "[I]b-but it only happened 4 times for Lebron!!![/I]".... :rolleyes:
Everyone knows Lebron isn't good in the clutch and the data supports it.
Not only does Lebron's production often decline in the 4th quarter, but his proportion of team points was much lower than Jordan's to BEGIN with.. In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's 4th quarter points - Lebron is normally around 30%, and he's been as low as 14%.
Re: Percentage of points scored while player is on floor
[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I]JORDAN 1997[/I].... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
[I]JORDAN 1998[/I].... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
[I]LEBRON 2009[/I].... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
[I]LEBRON 2010[/I].... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
[I]LEBRON 2011[/I].... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
[I]LEBRON 2012[/I].... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
[I]LEBRON 2013[/I].... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
[I]LEBRON 2014[/I].... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
[I]LEBRON 2015[/I].... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
[I]LEBRON 2016[/I].... 33.1..... 41.9
[I]CURRY 2015[/I]..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
[I]CURRY 2016[/I]..... 36.7..... 43.6
[B]CONCLUSIONS:[/B]
[I]1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.
2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's [U]always[/U] increased, and significantly.
3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor[/I]
[B]SOURCES[/B]: All stats from stats.nba.com... Example: here's the link to Curry's 4th quarter stats from 2016:
[url]http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4[/url][/QUOTE]
But what are the percentages of points plus points the player assisted on?
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[QUOTE=DrakeTheSnake]
But what are the percentages of points plus points the player assisted on?
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[B]Here's the years Lebron won the championship:[/B]
[COLOR="White"]...............................................[/COLOR]Points[COLOR="White"]......... [/COLOR]Assists
[I]Lebron 2012 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I] ....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.9[/url]............ 28.8
[I]Lebron 2013 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I].........36.0............ 39.2
[I]Jordan 1997 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I]........ [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]............ 38.2
[I]Jordan 1998 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I]........ 48.8............ 27.7
Jordan is much >>>>>>
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Conclusion: The better player performed better
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Solid post 3ball. This proves that when Jordan was on the floor, he had a bigger offensive impact interms of scoring the ball.
We could put his defensive impact as well, but then Lebron and Curry fans wouldn't be able to sleep for days....
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[QUOTE=3ball][B]Here's the years Lebron won the championship:[/B]
[COLOR="White"]...............................................[/COLOR]Points[COLOR="White"]......... [/COLOR]Assists
[I]Lebron 2012 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I] ....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.9[/url]............ 28.8
[I]Lebron 2013 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I].........36.0............ 39.2
[I]Jordan 1997 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I]........ [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]............ 38.2
[I]Jordan 1998 playoffs 4th Qtr[/I]........ 48.8............ 27.7
Jordan is much >>>>>>[/QUOTE]
What about Curry? How does this season compare with Jordan's?
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[QUOTE=3ball]I'm a delusional [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot who jacks off to MJ.[/quote]
Yep.
[QUOTE=3ball]Not only does Lebron's production often decline in the 4th quarter, but his proportion of team points was much lower than Jordan's to BEGIN with.. In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's 4th quarter points - Lebron is normally around 30%, and he's been as low as 14%.[/QUOTE]
Hey dumb****, care to provide stats for the remainder of MJ's years?
Again, '14 PO's and Finals were basically blowouts and LeBron didn't even play much in some of the 4th Q's. '11 was a legitimate choke job. '12, he was playing only 7.5 minutes a game in the 4th. It really doesn't work like that, when LeBron is playing fewer minutes in the 4th because his teams are winning before than.
You still haven't shown me how Curry "often declined".
[QUOTE=3ball]Everyone knows Lebron isn't good in the clutch and the data supports it.[/quote]
Actually, LeBron has been one of the best clutch players since the '05 season, IIRC. Better than Kobe. There's a ton of data to prove it as well.
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[QUOTE=3ball]Nah, just showing how MJ carried the biggest load of all time[/QUOTE]
MJ led his team in MP, Points, rebounds and assists in 4 straight Finals appearances?
edit: Since MJ wasn't mentally tough enough to play for a 4th consecutive Finals appearance, we have to use 3 straight.
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[QUOTE=DrakeTheSnake]
What about Curry? How does this season compare with Jordan's?
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[COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I]JORDAN 1997[/I].... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
[I]JORDAN 1998[/I].... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
[COLOR="Red"][I]CURRY 2015[/I]..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6[/COLOR]
[I]CURRY 2016[/I]..... 36.7..... 43.6
[COLOR="Red"]As you can see, Curry won a championship in 2015 without having to do NEARLY as much as MJ did.[/COLOR]
This season, his proportion of scoring is nearly the same as MJ's thru 25 games, except Currry gets 25% from transition and MJ only got 7% from transition.... Also, let's see if Curry can score half his team's 4th quarter points in the playoffs while winning a championship like MJ did..
Also, MJ had many stretches that were superior to Curry's across the board, including this one from 1991:
[size="1"][COLOR="Blue"][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic]Jordan 1991 (25 games)[/url]: 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"][U]Curry. 2016 (25 games)[/U]: 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg[/COLOR][/size]
MJ had many more superior stretches, such as his first 20 games of the Finals, where he averaged 36/7/7 on 51%, while garnering 3 fmvps and a 3-0 lead towards his 4th fmvp... He also averaged 35/7/7 on 50% in 1986-1993 playoffs (107 games).
