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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Meh, I'm a Jordan fan but this "fact" has always sounded contrived and without context.
Maybe that's just me though :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
It's true. I looked it up and the facts are in front of you in the OP. No point in checking 1990-91 onward because MJ never lost a series.
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]The Sixers were past it by MJ's time so why even bring them up? MJ lost to two legendary teams for five straight years and he beat Magic's Lakers in 1991.
Keep coming with the lame excuses. It's entertaining.[/QUOTE]
because jordan never faced superteams by the time they finally were awared home court.
you really need to do more research. jordan fans think the league started in the 90s, but its not totally their fault. the media has warped these poor souls.
btw- the lakers were missing kaj (retired), and byron scott/james worthy were injured throughout the series (even missed the last game) - los angeles in 1991 was not a super team. in fact, what magic did by taking them to the finals was considered herculean.
Getting into an argument AGAIN with Laz about Wilt had me thinking about this. The "Big Dipper" choked away two playoff series when he had the HCA against Russell's Celtics in 1968 and 1969. So I wanted to see what MJ was about in those situations.
[B][U]I wonder if any other legend can boast this fact. [/U][/B]
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]It's true. I looked it up and the facts are in front of you in the OP. No point in checking 1990-91 onward because MJ never lost a series.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say they weren't true? Its just a dumb fact imo, and devoid of any context.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Where did I say they weren't true? Its just a dumb fact imo, and devoid of any context.[/QUOTE]
I think it's an interesting fact. I wonder if any other legend can boast this claim.
FACTS. Bulls never once lost when they were supposed to win. They always handled business. When they lost, they lost to vastly superior teams that they had little chance against (besides Orlando). 24-0 with homecourt. And they even managed to win 6 series without homecourt.
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]I think it's an interesting fact. I wonder if any other legend can boast this claim.[/QUOTE]
no you don't wonder, we know nobody else has this, this context-less fact.
I always wondered what happened to MJ in '95.
He basically replaced Horace Grant on a roster that went 55-27 without him in '94 (and in fact Grant and Pippen missed a combined 22 games....or they would have easily won 60+) ...and that team lost a close and controversial seven game series to a NY team that would lose a seven game series to a 58-24 Rockets team in the Finals.
And yet, with all that surrounding talent....they were beaten 4-2 in the ECSF's by a team that would get swept by a 47-35 Rockets team in the Finals.
Luckily for MJ, the Bulls then ADDED Rodman to that roster, and the rest was history.
[QUOTE=Young X]FACTS. Bulls never once lost when they were supposed to win. They always handled business. When they lost, they lost to vastly superior teams that they had little chance against (besides Orlando). 24-0 with homecourt. And they even managed to win 6 series without homecourt.[/QUOTE]
GOAT gonna GOAT. It really is amazing when you see the teams he faced before the emergence of Pip/Grant and PJ coming on board.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]He had no chance?
1989 Bulls and Pistons. Series tied at 2 apiece and game 5 was most likely the biggest playoff game in MJ's career up to that point.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html[/url]
:wtf: :confusedshrug: ........what happen???[/QUOTE]
hello, McFly???
Well this pretty much ends the 1-9 criticism.
Well done OP. Well done. :applause:
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]He had no chance?
1989 Bulls and Pistons. Series tied at 2 apiece and game 5 was most likely the biggest playoff game in MJ's career up to that point.
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html[/url]
:wtf: :confusedshrug: ........what happen???[/QUOTE]
Context is key here. When looking back, we see that the Pistons were in the midst of a dynasty. They were just the better team. MJ having an off game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Yes, even the GOAT can have off games. :cheers:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS][B]I always wondered what happened to MJ in '95.
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He basically replaced Horace Grant on a roster that went 55-27 without him in '94 (and in fact Grant and Pippen missed a combined 22 games....or they would have easily won 60+) ...and that team lost a close and controversial seven game series to a NY team that would lose a seven game series to a 58-24 Rockets team in the Finals.
And yet, with all that surrounding talent....they were beaten 4-2 in the ECSF's by a team that would get swept by a 47-35 Rockets team in the Finals.
Luckily for MJ, the Bulls then ADDED Rodman to that roster, and the rest was history.[/QUOTE]
MJ only played 17 games. He simply didn't have his basketball legs under him and just wasn't in rhythm with his teammates. It takes longer than 17 games to get in sync with the game. And he proved this by 3 peating. :cheers:
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]Context is key here. When looking back, we see that the Pistons were in the midst of a dynasty. They were just the better team. MJ having an off game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Yes, even the GOAT can have off games. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
Why does MJ get needed context, but not the other way around?
That in and of itself shows you why this is a contrived achievement (nevermind a team one). Nobody would think any less of MJ, or you, if you just admitted that. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]Context is key here. When looking back, we see that the Pistons were in the midst of a dynasty. They were just the better team. MJ having an off game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Yes, even the GOAT can have off games. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
But an injured Wilt losing to the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and in a series in which he pummelled Russell counts against Wilt.
Makes perfect sense.
MJ gets an excuse for his numbers declining considerably against the Bad Boys, and for quitting on his team in a pivotal game five...but no excuses for Wilt.
Yep...no bias there.