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[QUOTE=3ball]No other team had 3-peat chemistry, teamwork and system -[B] if they did, they would win 55 games with marginal talent too.. [/B]
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That's an assumption made by you, it means nothing. I only talk facts, not assumptions.
Jordan 1-9 without Pippen.
Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
No other superstar in their prime had a team that won 55 games without him.
Jordan had the most stacked team of all-time...
#FACTS #OWNED #NEXT
[QUOTE=livinglegend]
No other superstar in their prime had a team that could win 55 games without him.
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No other team had 3-peat chemistry, teamwork and system - if they did, they would win 55 games with marginal talent too..
But the Bulls were exposed in the playoffs - 3-peat chemistry could only get them to the 2nd Round - they simply lacked talent.
Furthermore, the 94' Bulls weren't going to rebound from their 2nd Round defeat and do better the next year - they were a 2nd Round team PERMANENTLY without Jordan, after being a 3-peat dynasty with him.
[COLOR="Navy"][I]Now if we were running an experiment to see if MJ's impact was [U]truly[/U] 3-peat to 2nd Round, we would have him come back and see if he could 3-peat again.... VIOLA!!!!... Done and done.. Confirmed 2nd Round to 3-peat impact.[/I][/COLOR]
[QUOTE=3ball]No other team had 3-peat chemistry, teamwork and system -[B] if they did, they would win 55 games with marginal talent too..
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That's an assumption made by you, it means nothing. I only talk facts, not assumptions.
Jordan 1-9 without Pippen.
Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.
No other superstar in their prime had a team that won 55 games without him.
Jordan had the most stacked team of all-time...
[QUOTE=livinglegend]That's an assumption made by you, it means nothing. I only talk facts, not assumptions.
Jordan 1-9 without Pippen.
[B]Pippen won 55 games without Jordan.[/B]
No other superstar in their prime had a team that won 55 games without him.
Jordan had the most stacked team of all-time...[/QUOTE]
The Bulls were also 4-6 in the 10 games Pippen missed.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]The Bulls were also 4-6 in the 10 games Pippen missed.[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
[QUOTE=livinglegend]
No other superstar in their prime had a team that could win 55 games without him.
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No other team had 3-peat chemistry, teamwork and system - if they did, they would win 55 games with marginal talent too..
But the Bulls were exposed in the playoffs - 3-peat chemistry could only get them to the 2nd Round - they simply lacked talent.
Furthermore, the 94' Bulls weren't going to rebound from their 2nd Round defeat and do better the next year - they were a 2nd Round team PERMANENTLY without Jordan, after being a 3-peat dynasty with him.
[COLOR="Navy"][I]Now if we were running an experiment to see if MJ's impact was [U]truly[/U] 3-peat to 2nd Round, we would have him come back and see if he could 3-peat again.... VIOLA!!!!... Done and done.. Confirmed 2nd Round to 3-peat impact.[/I][/COLOR]
[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]Ask Madonna who the second option was.[/QUOTE]
LMAO :roll:
[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]No one cares about playoff success? :oldlol: Just stop, you drooling retard. Go log onto sportjames23 and kiss Jordan's dick[/QUOTE]
I'm sporthames23 now? Wrong again. No one except bran stans that get exposed on a daily basis on ISH care about playoffs. Hold the L knowing that finals success >>>>>> playoff success.
[QUOTE=3ball].
[I]All these players were better 2nd options in general - but specific years have been provided for easier analysis:[/I]
Shaq (2005 and 2006)
Magic (1979)
Kareem (nearly every year)
McHale (nearly every year)
Kobe (every year except 2000)
Dr. J (1983)
Duncan (2007)
Durant or Westbrook (every year)
Shawn Kemp (1996 - look it up - RS, PO and Finals - not close at all)
Lebron (2011)
Wade (2012)
Penny (1995 and 1996)
Stockton (every year)
David Robinson (1998)
Drexler (1995)
Gasol (2009 and 2010)
[I]Don't make me put Pip's numbers side-by-side with these bosses[/I][/QUOTE]
You really sell Pip short, which is expected from you. You nitpick his negative stats, bad moments and ignore his OVERALL impact on the game. Can't you just be objective?
Duncan was the 1st option in 07 (not even debatable). Parker was 2nd option, and Pippen was obviously better than Parker.
[QUOTE=T_L_P]Duncan was the 1st option in 07 (not even debatable). Parker was 2nd option, and Pippen was obviously better than Parker.[/QUOTE]
Duncan didn't get FMVP, but regardless, Duncan has been the 2nd option ever since 2008..
Duncan destroys Pippen in those years, or any years at any option.
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[QUOTE=3ball]
[SIZE="1"][B]KEMP[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1996 RS[/B]: 19.6 ppg.. 11.4 rpg.. 2.1 apg.. 1.2 spg.. 1.6 bpg.. 56.1 fg.. [I][COLOR="Blue"]63.1 ts[/COLOR][/I]
[B]PIPPEN 1996 RS[/B]: 19.4 ppg... 6.4 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 1.7 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 46.3 fg.. 55.1 ts
[B]KEMP[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1996 PO[/B]: 20.9 ppg.. 10.4 rpg.. 1.5 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. [I][COLOR="Blue"]64.0 ts[/COLOR][/I]
[B]PIPPEN 1996 PO[/B]: 16.9 ppg... 8.5 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 39.0 fg.. 47.3 ts
[B]KEMP[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1996 FINALS[/B]: 23.3 ppg.. 10.0 rpg.. 2.2 apg.. 1.3 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 55.1 fg.. [I][COLOR="Blue"]63.3 ts[/COLOR][/I]
[B]PIPPEN 1996 FINALS[/B]: 15.7 ppg... 8.2 rpg.. 5.3 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. [B][COLOR="Red"][size="2"]34.3 fg.. 42.9 ts[/size][/COLOR][/B] [/SIZE]
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You really sell Pip short, which is expected from you. You nitpick his negative stats, bad moments and ignore his OVERALL impact on the game. Can't you just be objective?
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No one said Pippen wasn't a decent 2nd option, but he wasn't as good as anyone in the OP... Does that make sense???.. The point is that Jordan's 2nd option was worse than Magic's, Bird's, Shaq's, Moses Malone's (1983 Dr. J), Wade's (2011 Lebron), Lebron's (2012 Wade), Parker's (Duncan since 2008), and on and on and on and on and on - see the OP.
If Pippen was such a great 2nd option then why was he worse than all these guys?
And why did MJ have to do things that no other #1 option had to do, such as score at least 10 ppg more than Pippen in every playoff series of their career, and 50% of the Bulls' 4th quarter points in playoffs and Finals while he was on the floor?.. [I]No other #1 option had to do these things, which is why Pip is a worse 2nd option than all the guys listed in the OP[/I].
Let me ask you something - take a look at those stats above, especially the efficiency - was Pippen a better 2nd option than Kemp in 1996?... How can someone even be called a "[I]good[/I]" scorer with stats like that?... And that's far from the only time.. Again, no one is saying Pippen wasn't a decent 2nd option - but all these things make him worse than everyone listed in the OP.
[QUOTE=3ball]Duncan didn't get FMVP, but regardless, Duncan has been the 2nd option ever since 2008..
Duncan destroys Pippen in those years, or any years at any option.
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TIL Iggy was the 1st option on the 2015 Warriors!
[QUOTE=3ball].
[I]All these players were better 2nd options in general - but specific years have been provided for easier analysis:[/I]
Kobe (every year except 2000)
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I would add 2002 for Kobe.
[B]02 Kobe : [/B]26 / 5.8 / 4.6 on [B]51%TS --- [COLOR="DarkRed"](20.5 PER)[/COLOR][/B]
[B]91 Pippen :[/B] 21 / 8.9 / 5.8 on [B]56%TS --- [COLOR="DarkRed"](22.0 PER)[/COLOR][/B]
Early 90's Pippen was easily a better 2nd option in the playoffs then Kobe was that year.
Comparable offensive volume on much better efficiency while being a much better rebounder and a much better defender.
Not really all that close or debatable.
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