MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13

[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]
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wtf kind of stats are those? literally take nothing into account in order to make a real judgement.

[QUOTE=Nash]wtf kind of stats are those? literally take nothing into account in order to make a real judgement.[/QUOTE]
jfc, what would you like to take into account?... what excuse would you like to make?... If there's something so compelling that I'm missing - speak on it..

Otherwise, the stats speak for themselves - it's basically points + assists - turnovers, as a proportion of the entire team's while the player was on the floor.

[I]the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash.
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again, the stats speak for themselves - old MJ was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his [I]only[/I] 2.
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Jordan > Lebron

in other words: water is wet.

Another day, another stupid thread. You miss your meds again bro? You got ridiculed too much in your last "hit" thread so here we are superstar.

And to answer your stupid ass op, no. Too old Mj, too prime Lebron. I remember what you were saying around that time trainwreck. Those were the years lebron broke you.

Lebron>Jordan.

Might have been.

MJ was a pretty good player in '97 and '98.

I might even take his career over Lebron's, too.

I wonder how many games that 98 Bulls team wins if Pippen doesn't miss 35 games. Hell if he only missed 17-18 games, and they broke even in those games, they're sitting on 70 wins again.

Who was even saying LeBron was better than Jordan in those years? 3Ball making up debates that never even existed.

[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]I wonder how many games that 98 Bulls team wins if Pippen doesn't miss 35 games. Hell if he only missed 17-18 games, and they broke even in those games, they're sitting on 70 wins again.[/QUOTE]


True, they went 36-8 when he played, and only 26-12 in the games he missed, but as we have learned, he was just a worthless scrub.

The 97 or 98 Jazz would absolutely MURDER any team in the NBA of the last few years not named Golden State!

Check out the beat down they gave in consecutive years to the Lakers in 97 and 98, a team with 4 ALL STARS with young Shaq, Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Kobe, Campbell, Fox, Horry, Fisher etc... That teams was more talented than anything LeBron faced in the Finals! And they did it with Malone, Stockton and Hornacek in their mid 30's!

Hell the 1998 Lakers would sweep the 2012 Thunder without much contest!

[QUOTE=AirBonner]

stats from 90's can't translate today

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[I][COLOR="DarkRed"]If anything, stats from 1998 should be increased when comparing to today, since PPG, pace and league-wide ORtg were all much lower in 1998 than they are today, or 2013..[/COLOR][/I]

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[QUOTE=Lebron23]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Are you really comparing that 1997-98 Spurs team to the 2013 version? The 2013 version were much better than that team even though Duncan declined as a player.
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Jordan and Utah destroyed Duncan and Popovich - Whereas Lebron GETS destroyed by them.

Do you see the difference?... And Duncan wasn't a shell like he is today playing 25 minutes per game - he played 40 minutes per game, plus they had prime Robinson.

You think today's Spurs are somehow better despite less talent, while not even considering that the playing environment was completely different altogether back then... Today's Spurs have 3-point shooting and spacing that the 1998 Spurs didn't have - and neither did the Bulls or any other team back then.

The game was played WITHOUT spacing, which makes it a tougher game - everyone knows the game is tougher without spacing.. And MJ's Bulls were the kings OF that tougher game - they were kings of basketball when players didn't space the floor with 3-point shooting.. [i]Put today's Duncan back in 1998 environment where teammates didn't space the floor and it was more physical, and he'd have retired at 35 years old - today's spacing and softer environment has prolonged his career.[/i]

Also, you guys act like Lebron missing that walk-off attempt and needing Ray had something to do with the Spurs - that was just Lebron choking again, while MJ made his walk-off vs. Pop/Duncan and thoroughly dominated them, as shown in [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12095256&postcount=6]post #6[/url] - and obviously, he came through in Finals (6/6).. In 1997, he hit GW in Games 1 and 5 (flu game), and series-winning assist to Kerr in Gm 6 (which spearheaded Kerr's career).

[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]


([I]btw, the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash[/I])
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What does "percentage of team assists" have to do with anything? If a team doesn't get many assists that will unreasonably raise the value of somebody's assists in this useless stat of yours.

Also, are you using turnovers in that formula or "percentage of team's turnovers"? If just turnovers then your whole formula is unbalanced.

Show us your formula.




Anyway, these are the stats:

[B]MJ over second three peat:[/B] 6.0 reb, 4.1 assists, 31.4 points on .56 TS%

[B]Lebron in the playoffs in Miami:[/B] 8.36 rebounds 6.4 assists, 26.9 points on .595 TS%

nobody cares about these 2 tired old shitbags.

curry >>>>> jordan = lebron = kobe = old