Cops drag lesbian out of the bathroom for not looking like a woman

[QUOTE=Draz]America and the entire world is facing this transgender issue. This never was an issue before 3+ years ago (so I'd guess). But, it's a common thing law enforcement are keeping an eye on now with celebrities (Jenner) starting this revolution.

I'm not one to judge. I respect it. But, honestly, this has got to be the most controversial issue right now.[/QUOTE]
And yet you think the woman shares blame because she dresses like a boy?

[QUOTE=bdreason]How does this relate to the NC law?

There's already a law the prohibits men from using women's restrooms I assume.[/QUOTE]
From the article: [QUOTE]While the video never specifies its location, new laws in North Carolina and Mississippi require people to use the bathroom that corresponds with their biological sex, opening all kinds of possibilities for new abuses of power that police may now inflict upon transgender Americans and citizens whose clothing may challenge gender norms. The new laws also prevent the states from passing any new anti-discrimination laws for the purpose of protecting members of the LGBT community.[/QUOTE]It illustrates the challenges inherent inidentifying the gender of some of the LGBT.

If you look like a man, don't use the women bathroom unless you accept the risk of something like this happening.

This isn't hard to understand.

I mean, if you look young for your age, you'd expect the clerk to ask for your ID when you're buying alcohol right? Even if your actual age is 30+, he won't sell you alcohol without an ID. If you don't like that then you can try to grow a beard or dress older. Well if you look like a man going into women's bathroom, expect at least some staring or even outright abuse. If you don't like that then try looking more like a woman.

[QUOTE=iamgine]If you look like a man, don't use the women bathroom unless you accept the risk of something like this happening.

This isn't hard to understand.

I mean, if you look young for your age, you'd expect the clerk to ask for your ID when you're buying alcohol right? Even if your actual age is 30+, he won't sell you alcohol without an ID. If you don't like that then you can try to grow a beard or dress older. Well if you look like a man going into women's bathroom, expect at least some staring or even outright abuse. If you don't like that then try looking more like a woman.[/QUOTE]
This is my point too.. it should be common sense.. I mean at the end of the day if we're going back to basic principles we are animals. We react based off of instinct. Our first senses may or may not be right. If you propose yourself to be of another gender and carry yourself as another gender, the logical thing to do would be prepared for uneducated, or responses that are known to occur.

Similar to the logic that blames rape victims for being out late dressed too sexy. So much for individual liberties.

Pull innocent civilians out of bathrooms because they don't meet the individual cop's standard of femininity (or masculinity, though I expect this to be less common). A bathroom dress code that is only posted in the cop' head. Great idea, I'm sure this won't be arbitrary at all.

What's the big deal? She looks like a dude, and how do you know how long she was hanging around in there, or whether someone lodged a complaint or not? Surely the latter would have to be true for a male police officer to enter the woman's toilet in the first place? All I see are people overreacting to a video they don't even know the circumstances of, of an unidentified individual, in an unknown location, getting told to leave (and then being all abusive, and making idiotic affected motions with her arms). Just look at the comments on the video for numerous examples:

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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Similar to the logic that blames rape victims for being out late dressed too sexy. So much for individual liberties.

Pull innocent civilians out of bathrooms because they don't meet the individual cop's standard of femininity (or masculinity, though I expect this to be less common). A bathroom dress code that is only posted in the cop' head. Great idea, I'm sure this won't be arbitrary at all.[/QUOTE]
Rape victims who are actually out late in a bad neighborhood dressing sexy are actually deserving of SOME of the blame. This is called blame via lack of common sense.

It is arbitrary, just like how cops detect most suspicious activities. i.e smell of alcohol from car leads to cops asking for breath test or something shaped like a gun leads cop to search your car. We really gonna trust cops to arbitrarily know the smell of alcohol or the shape of a gun? Umm...yes we are. Also cops are accountable for their actions. You can file a complaint. We have a system in place to root out bad cops.

[QUOTE=iamgine]Rape victims who are actually out late in a bad neighborhood dressing sexy are actually deserving of SOME of the blame. This is called blame via lack of common sense.

It is arbitrary, just like how cops detect most suspicious activities. i.e smell of alcohol from car leads to cops asking for breath test or something shaped like a gun leads cop to search your car. We really gonna trust cops to arbitrarily know the smell of alcohol or the shape of a gun? Umm...yes we are. Also cops are accountable for their actions. You can file a complaint. We have a system in place to root out bad cops.[/QUOTE]
A lot of this "blaming the victim" rhetoric (which is really an empty statement anyway: saying a person should try to be more responsible isn't blaming the victim, nor exculpating the perpetrator) seems to be an attempt to pretend that everyone should be able to behave recklessly and do stupid things (like get ridiculously drunk and go off with some man you don't know to a place you don't know), without there being any possible consequences. I'm sure everyone wants this to be true, but that's not the real world, unfortunately. This fits right in there with safe spaces and the freedom from hurt feelings, as a part of the imaginary world the politically active youth of today seem to be living in.

Well no, telling people to be safe and sensible is not the same as blaming them for being victims; what a crude distortion that is.

She got dragged out of nowhere.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I cut the cops some slack because they are trying to do their jobs, and that means in this case trying to enforce a problematic law. But since when do we require ID to use the bathroom? What I used to expect is that people that weren't causing problems get left alone. I guess that is too much to expect.[/QUOTE]

If you want to act and dress like a man out in public, and you are a woman, have some ID on you. Easily fixed.
It's common sense. If you look like a man don't use a woman's toilet unless you can prove otherwise.
People need to take responsibility for themselves and their decisions. If you want to use public services that are based on gender to protect 99.99999% of population, help yourself as you are the odd one out and need to adjust for your own betterment and humanity overall.
To be fair, I think most LGBT people do this anyway. Just the trouble makers don't.

[QUOTE=Dresta]What's the big deal? She looks like a dude, and how do you know how long she was hanging around in there, or whether someone lodged a complaint or not? Surely the latter would have to be true for a male police officer to enter the woman's toilet in the first place? [/quote]It's like she thinks she has rights or something.[quote]RMWG, what is your point here? Do you think a teenage boy should be able to hang out in the women's lavatory, and no one have the power to remove him?[/QUOTE]I think that trying to explain myself further to you would be a waste of time. Everything I write is probably written at an eighth grade level, and most of the posters don't seem to have me misunderstood, even the ones that think I'm wrong.[QUOTE=iamgine]Rape victims who are actually out late in a bad neighborhood dressing sexy are actually deserving of SOME of the blame. This is called blame via lack of common sense.[/quote]A woman should not be raped just for wearing a skirt just like this woman should not have been thrown out of the bathroom for wearing baggy pants. It's completely ridiculous.[quote]It is arbitrary, just like how cops detect most suspicious activities. i.e smell of alcohol from car leads to cops asking for breath test or something shaped like a gun leads cop to search your car. We really gonna trust cops to arbitrarily know the smell of alcohol or the shape of a gun? Umm...yes we are. Also cops are accountable for their actions. You can file a complaint. We have a system in place to root out bad cops.[/QUOTE]We have to let cops stop drunk drivers, they're a danger and a menace to the public. Please explain how the woman that got dragged out of the bathroom is a menace.

[QUOTE=G-train]If you want to act and dress like a man out in public, and you are a woman, have some ID on you. Easily fixed.
[B]It's common sense.[/B] If you look like a man don't use a woman's toilet unless you can prove otherwise. [/quote]No it isn't. Very few people ever find themselves wondering what they will need to have if a cop ever decides they are in the wrong restroom. Now, it is becoming law in some states but I can't help but wonder what the huge problem is that they have to pass these laws that have so many bad repercussions, from the problems with enforcement to the business backlash.
[QUOTE]People need to take responsibility for themselves and their decisions.[/QUOTE]You can say that kind of thing to a man that has a kid with a woman and won't take on the duties of fatherhood. We're just talking about the bathroom here.

The cops were reactionary assholes and I agree, you shouldn't need ID to use the bathroom BUT...


My sympathy for androgynous and transgender people is at an all time low. Some of these people need to realize that there is still much common decency in society that is practiced based on gender.

Some of these annoying fcks seem to just want to make statements and while not fully dismissing a legit transgender person, I feel like [B]many of these people are just very insecure and messed up who want to go out and taunt the structure of society just because their own issues kept them from feeling included. [/B]

Basically, I'm saying lots of these people are full of shit and just want to throw cultural norms in everyone else's face just because they don't relate. That's bogus and in that sense, I don't feel bad that the cops yoked her up and made her realize that while we don't act like it's the 1950s anymore, there are distinct gender boundaries that the majority of our society lives and operates by

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]No it isn't. [/QUOTE]

You are right it isn't common sense because common sense isn't common anymore.

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You can say that kind of thing to a man that has a kid with a woman and won't take on the duties of fatherhood. We're just talking about the bathroom here.[/QUOTE]

It's quite simple. 2 toilets, one for each gender.
People have gender identity issues, that's a fact.
But you need to understand yourself that you need to adjust to what is best for all of society (privacy and security) and not your own individual needs.
Realize that you are not the norm and can't expect special treatment at the cost of the other 99%.
In other words, take RESPONSIBILITY for yourself and help yourself, instead of making an issue out of everything. Don't use gender based facilities unless you are prepared to prove it, when you KNOW people can't tell your gender.

[QUOTE=G-train]You are right it isn't common sense because common sense isn't common anymore.



It's quite simple. 2 toilets, one for each gender.
People have gender identity issues, that's a fact.
But you need to understand yourself that you need to adjust to what is best for all of society (privacy and security) and not your own individual needs.
Realize that you are not the norm and can't expect special treatment at the cost of the other 99%.
In other words, take RESPONSIBILITY for yourself and help yourself, instead of making an issue out of everything. Don't use gender based facilities unless you are prepared to prove it, when you KNOW people can't tell your gender.[/QUOTE]

It's sad but true. You don't go outside if you're a black male in groups wearing hoodies and sagging pants during midnight smoking weed or drinking in public. You don't go to buy alcohol without an ID if you're a college student. You don't put yourself in a position to be confronted by authorities or civilians. I do understand she had no other choice but to go in the women's bathroom, but she also knew the POSSIBILITY of being confronted.

What are we supposed to do? Make three bathrooms? If that's the case we start now. Because that IS the only dam way we stop this shit.