[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Exactly, if you want to enforce palming, then do it to traveling, fouls, three second violations, etc. Nobody would watch it.[/QUOTE]
OR...
maybe the players would actually adapt to the rules...like they did years ago.
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[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Exactly, if you want to enforce palming, then do it to traveling, fouls, three second violations, etc. Nobody would watch it.[/QUOTE]
OR...
maybe the players would actually adapt to the rules...like they did years ago.
The idea of a good buisness model is to keep both present AND future viewers interested. Not lose half your viewers due to lack of rule enforcement.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]OR...
maybe the players would actually adapt to the rules...like they did years ago.[/QUOTE]
Players have been breaking the rules since basketball was invented.
I wonder how you will eventually include Wilt in this discussion.
[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Players have been breaking the rules since basketball was invented.[/QUOTE]
And they were CALLED for it.
Not TODAY, though.
How about this...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew[/url]
I counted about five offensive fouls in that small sequence alone.
If I am a GM, I am going to sign guys like Brock Lesnar. He obviously won't need to dribble, and he can pretty much just destroy whatever comes in his path. I would just have to teach him how to make layups...and he would be unstoppable.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]And they were CALLED for it.
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You analyze full NBA games videos from the 50's? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]And they were CALLED for it.
Not TODAY, though.
How about this...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew[/url]
I counted about five offensive fouls in that small sequence alone.
If I am a GM, I am going to sign guys like Brock Lesnar. He obviously won't need to dribble, and he can pretty much just destroy whatever comes in his path. I would just have to teach him how to make layups...and he would be unstoppable.[/QUOTE]
Shaq was the main draw.. they let LeBron get away with the same stuff today knockin guys out with the off arm. If you're that level of mega star though theyre not going to call it on you.
I've talked about this before. The basketball rule book is archaic and it doesn't make a lot of sense. It needs heavy revisions. Its rules are not only not followed to the letter but they are impossible to follow to the letter.
You have any idea how hard it was to call palming on MJ? How do you call palming on someone (especially a guard who can take advantage of palming more than a big) who can grip the ball even when he is holding it directly from the top? How is a ref going to determine in real time if the ball is in free motion or if MJ palmed it for 0.234ms so he could do a hesitation dribble.
There are a bunch of other problems with the rule book too. If you can find me refs who can officiate the game as accurately as the rules are written then I'd rather pay to watch them than the players because that's damn more impressive than anything I've seen on a basketball court.
[QUOTE=tpols]Shaq was the main draw.. they let LeBron get away with the same stuff today knockin guys out with the off arm. If you're that level of mega star though theyre not going to call it on you.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...don't me started on Lebron.
Between the forearm shoves and the flopping...as well as palming and traveling...
[QUOTE=FKAri]I've talked about this before. The basketball rule book is archaic and it doesn't make a lot of sense. It needs heavy revisions. Its rules are not only not followed to the letter but they are impossible to follow to the letter.
You have any idea how hard it was to call palming on MJ? How do you call palming on someone (especially a guard who can take advantage of palming more than a big) who can grip the ball even when he is holding it directly from the top? How is a ref going to determine in real time if the ball is in free motion or if MJ palmed it for 0.234ms so he could do a hesitation dribble.
There are a bunch of other problems with the rule book too. If you can find me refs who can officiate the game as accurately as the rules are written then I'd rather pay to watch them than the players because that's damn more impressive than anything I've seen on a basketball court.[/QUOTE]
Some good points here, to be sure...but they can certainly call the OBVIOUS violations. I see guys palming the ball...and taking 3 steps before the ball hits the floor...and other's running down the lane on 4-5 steps without dribbling.
While I am going off on palming...
how about the NBA All-Star Game?
Does anyone find watching a 196-173 game with ZERO defense entertaining?
Players taking wide open 3's, or driving down an empty lane for a dunk all game long?
I think the NBA ASG is getting almost as bad as the NFL ASG, which is on it's last legs.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]While I am going off on palming...
how about the NBA All-Star Game?
Does anyone find watching a 196-173 with ZERO defense entertaining?
Players taking wide open 3's, or driving down an empty lane for a dunk all game long?
I think the NBA ASG is getting almost as bad as the NFL ASG, which is on it's last legs.[/QUOTE]
Lol
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Some good points here, to be sure...but they can certainly call the OBVIOUS violations. I see guys palming the ball...and taking 3 steps before the ball hits the floor...and other's running down the lane on 4-5 steps without dribbling.[/QUOTE]
Well for one, it's simply not possible for the refs to catch everything. They just can't do it in real time.
But referring to what you're saying about obvious calls. The problem with this is everyone has a different idea of what obvious is. What happens in the grey areas? Every game there's people thinking "that's a soft foul call" and another thinking "how is that a foul if it wasn't on the other end?". This also influences how games are called differently in the 1st quarter, the clutch, and playoffs.
Another problem is that the best defense is that which gets as close to a foul without being a foul as possible. You're just asking for trouble with this. And this confusion and frustration has spawned flopping, telling every rookie to yell "ay!" when you get hit, and people exaggerating everything. We're used to this now but this stuff is much MUCH worse than it is even in any other sport including soccer. This stuff isn't being soft or lame. That is how you're supposed to play basketball in the modern NBA. But is that the product the fans want?
[QUOTE=FKAri]Well for one, it's simply not possible for the refs to catch everything. They just can't do it in real time.
But referring to what you're saying about obvious calls. The problem with this is everyone has a different idea of what obvious is. What happens in the grey areas? Every game there's people thinking "that's a soft foul call" and another thinking "how is that a foul if it wasn't on the other end?". This also influences how games are called differently in the 1st quarter, the clutch, and playoffs.
Another problem is that the best defense is that which gets as close to a foul without being a foul as possible. You're just asking for trouble with this. And this confusion and frustration has spawned flopping, telling every rookie to yell "ay!" when you get hit, and people exaggerating everything. We're used to this now but this stuff is much MUCH worse than it is even in any other sport including soccer. This stuff isn't being soft or lame. That is how you're supposed to play basketball in the modern NBA. But is that the product the fans want?[/QUOTE]
These "grey areas" have been problems for years, not just recently. I grew up listening to Warrior games, and they had an announcer, Bill King (IMO, the greatest basketball announcer ever BTW), who was routinely fined for calling the refs incompetent or clowns, etc.
But, everyone knew the basic rules. You didn't see Chamberlain running over his peers like a runaway mack truck, or West picking up his dribble several times in one sequence. And a flopper was considered a sissy.
Yes, there were those borderline fouls, just like today. Nothing can be done, except to leave those to the refs interpretation. Obviously there will be those on one side that don't like it...but hopefully they are consistently called at both ends.
[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]It's why when you look at really old clips it looks like players don't know how to dribble. It's not that. They're just following the rules.
But everyone does it and it's more aesthetically pleasing so they let it slide.[/QUOTE]
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