these 2 players are so similar
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these 2 players are so similar
[QUOTE=poeticism707]Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:
Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7
Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg
The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.
One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.[/QUOTE]
Funny how your initial statement says "not even close" yet the stats YOU posted show it is very close. Think before ye type. Anyway I choose Hakeem. He was just more clutch down the stretch. He has a history of hitting more clutch baskets +game winners + free throws than Tim Duncan does.
Duncan is the millenium version of hakeem. in Duncans first few years he was just as fast as hakeem was and he has also maintained that level of excellence over a long career like hakeem. the similarities are very parallel.
i guess i would take tim duncan because iam bias. cant really go against my own guy here.
the injustice here is that in 20-30 years when people look back and see duncans overall accomplishments and compare them to hakeem, he will look far superior because people who havent seen them play will go purely on stats and awards.
This as a compromise:
Skillwise:
Hakeem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tim Duncan
Accolades-wise:
Tim Duncan>Hakeem Olajuwon.
Hakeem is probably the most atheletic center on the top 10 list of centers, his fakes are just so inventive that even God himself won't be able to see through them, and he's got range like its nothing (see 3 pointer against Orlando). Hakeem is Finesse 5.0, while duncan is Finesse 2.5. Duncan may be the greatest PF, but the Dream is better skillwise.
Hakeem's lack of team success may be attributed to Duncan landing in the right organisation, able to contribute from the very beginning (Olajuwon was in a similar situation early on, but the managment messed up spectacularly during his middle years) and being in a system that benefited him the most.
Did I just hear someone suggest that in his first few years Duncan was as fats as Dream? :oldlol:
Duncan was [i]very[/i] quick for a 6'11"/7' guy, but not on Dream's level.
[QUOTE=Loki]Did I just hear someone suggest that in his first few years Duncan was as fats as Dream? :oldlol:
Duncan was [i]very[/i] quick for a 6'11"/7' guy, but not on Dream's level.[/QUOTE]
i didnt say he was faster, i said just as fast. watch some of his early footage.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=-hMS2xpant0"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=-hMS2xpant0[/URL]
[QUOTE=SsKSpurs21]i didnt say he was faster, i said just as fast. [/QUOTE]
And I didn't say that you said he was "faster," only "as fast as" him. :D :banana:
[QUOTE=poeticism707]Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:
Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7
Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg
The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.
One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.[/QUOTE]
soo who is duncans competition again? hakeem at his prime was in the "big man" era. the dream would make yao ming look stupid if he was playing in his prime right now
[QUOTE=GOBB]Who is better? We got the Shaq vs Tim topics. Well lets see how people view this matchup. Poetry in motion where thou art ewe?[/QUOTE]
Since Hakeem is a bit overrated on ISH (people still insist he should be ranked higher than Shaq on all time list... LOL WTF. shaq surpassed Hakeem like 6 years ago)
I think this thread will be overwhelmingly in Hakeem's favor with 90% sayign "Hakeem and it's not even close".
Well they'd br wrong.
Cause first, it is VERY close, and second, Duncan will probably retire with the highest regular season win average/% and 4-5 rings....
[QUOTE=Loki]And I didn't say that you said he was "faster," only "as fast as" him. [/QUOTE]
i see. i dont know. i feel he was just as fast. maybe i have my homer glasses on but thats the way i feel.
[QUOTE=EricForman]Since Hakeem is a bit overrated on ISH...[/QUOTE]
So I can expect you to also co-sign my future thread about Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar both being easily better than Duncan.
[QUOTE=poeticism707]Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:
Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7
Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg[/QUOTE]
How can you say 'its not even close' then post numbers that refute your statement?
Aside from the All-NBA First Team/DPOY, those numbers are very close.
Edit: There were better big men in the NBA during Hakeem's years than Duncan's.
[QUOTE=SsKSpurs21]i see. i dont know. i feel he was just as fast. maybe i have my homer glasses on but thats the way i feel.[/QUOTE]
Hakeem was fast like a guard...Not even close
[QUOTE=EricForman]Since Hakeem is a bit overrated on ISH (people still insist he should be ranked higher than Shaq on all time list... LOL WTF. shaq surpassed Hakeem like 6 years ago)
I think this thread will be overwhelmingly in Hakeem's favor with 90% sayign "Hakeem and it's not even close".
Well they'd br wrong.
Cause first, it is VERY close, and second, Duncan will probably retire with the highest regular season win average/% and 4-5 rings....[/QUOTE]
if you factor in defense there is no way you say Shaq surpassed Hakeem. Shaq was the most dominant offensive threat but defensively no way. Hakeem never had a Kobe or Wade either or a Magic or Jerry West. Clyde was past his prime.all time lists are based on opinions bro not science.
[QUOTE=allball]if you factor in defense there is no way you say Shaq surpassed Hakeem. Shaq was the most dominant offensive threat but defensively no way. Hakeem never had a Kobe or Wade either or a Magic or Jerry West. Clyde was past his prime.[B]all time lists are based on opinions bro not science.[/B][/QUOTE]
so in his opinion, he feels shaq surpassed hakeem...now what? we let the insults fly? :confusedshrug: