The Right fears AOC more than they do their pregnant mistress'.
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The Right fears AOC more than they do their pregnant mistress'.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Better start grooming the young republican star now.
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barron trump/michael flynn jr '32 campaign: "yeah we know all the other times we tried the trickle down hustle it only led to grand canyon sized income parity gaps between the top 2-10% of the population and the rest of you... but trust us, this time... [I]this time[/I] all those tax cuts multi multi millionaires and corporations receive and use to buyback stocks will somehow finally find their way into your wallets. believe us, folks."
aoc/malia obama '32: "really nigguhs?"
^you see the dilemna fox has on their hands? gotta nip this thing in the bud [B]now[/B]. be it dancing videos from high school, tweets, whatever it takes. gotta kill the aoc opp movement right now before it spreads.
[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]I didn't go into "extensive" detail, lol. I mentioned it in rebuttal to your remark about my "lazy ass" having to get another job. Additionally, my work has given me insight into this arena as well.
I also didn't backpeddle anything nitwit. If ultimately a 70% marginal tax rate on people making $10 mil is implemented, I'll have no problem with it, as will most of the populace. However, I'd also like to see what some other proposals are in this arena.
[B]And a coward is you around black people in real life. You'd never say the reckless shyt you do on here to someone's face because you know what would happen.
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And lol at you rewriting history. It was a f*** base tenet of the Republican party that you don't raise taxes. Grover Norquist ring a bell? Now all of a sudden it's, "of course" 54% of Republicans want taxes to be raised. You're so full of shit. The reality is that it's dawning on even your fellow dimwits that 40 years of trickle down has not been good for the average citizen. That the Trump tax cut for the wealthy (after he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy on the campaign trail) was a farce.[/QUOTE]
Fill me in on this "reckless shyt" I post. I'm curious.
LOL I'm glad you'll hold your 70% stance. It will never happen, but at least you can dream.
[QUOTE]And lol at you rewriting history. It was a f*** base tenet of the Republican party that you don't raise taxes. Grover Norquist ring a bell? Now all of a sudden it's, "of course" 54% of Republicans want taxes to be raised. You're so full of shit. The reality is that it's dawning on even your fellow dimwits that 40 years of trickle down has not been good for the average citizen. That the Trump tax cut for the wealthy (after he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy on the campaign trail) was a farce.[/QUOTE]
I promise you...republican or democrat...a poll taken at random will not find you many people who have an informed opinion on this. It isnt people thinking out what trickle down has done for 40 years. Its instinctual. Asking poor people if the rich need to be less rich? Its "How bout them cowboys!" at a bar in Austin. Its a 84 MPH fast ball right down the middle vs Barry Bonds. Its just an easy pop like a comedian mentioning the name of the town hes in during the set.
Whatever the merits of the argument...you dont find real responses to the argument in a poll like that sure to catch mostly poor and middle class answers. Its pure emotion.
Poor people from any era in history are jealous of rich people. You could get republicans or democrat poor people behind you it would just depend on the message.
In red state its "Hey....you...Joe Sixpack. You bust your ass in the paper mill 50 hours a week keeping our economy strong and your family fed. These NBA players make hundreds of millions and complain about being underpaid while these NFL owners want your money to build their billion dollar stadiums and the hollywood elites make millions while pretending to care about the working man from behind his high walls. Isnt it time they all paid their fair share? Call Senator Harry Whitebread and tell him where to get the money before he votes to take any more from your check"
Play it right you can get the jealous going for anyone.
The average voter doesnt know Grover Norquist. He knows these rich people piss him off though.
[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]barron trump/michael flynn jr '32 campaign: "yeah we know all the other times we tried the trickle down hustle it only led to grand canyon sized income parity gaps between the top 2-10% of the population and the rest of you... but trust us, this time... [I]this time[/I] all those tax cuts multi multi millionaires and corporations receive and use to buyback stocks will somehow finally find their way into your wallets. believe us, folks."
aoc/malia obama '32: "really nigguhs?"
^you see the dilemna fox has on their hands? gotta nip this thing in the bud [B]now[/B]. be it dancing videos from high school, tweets, whatever it takes. [B]gotta kill the aoc [/B]opp movement right now before it spreads.[/QUOTE]
Yup, what a fool like Chewing fails to understand is that it isn't about AOC the person (though she's a dynamic, fearless political entity that will be a force for years to come), it's the fear of her ideas taking hold in the public sphere. We see that their incessant attacking of her, often for lame reasons like dancing, has only served to further raise her profile, thus having the [I]opposite[/I] effect.
But make no mistake, they didn't want the damn cat out of the bag in any serious sense. Those think tanks have spent 40+ years perfecting tactics to brainwash the gullible like Chewing. But a re-evaluation of this started with Occupy, moved on into the mainstream with Bernie and now AOC.
The result? You've got debris like Tucker and Coulter all of a sudden on their "Uh yeah, raise taxes on the wealthy is good, yes good I say" because they see how the wind is blowing.
Guaranteed that once it starts breaking even bigger among conservatives, Chewing will be back with "sheeeet I was always in favor of taxing the rich. It's the libtards that tried to stop it".
Because that's just how conservatives roll. Hypocrisy, obfuscation and dishonesty are their lifeblood.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I promise you...republican or democrat...a poll taken at random will not find you many people who have an informed opinion on this. It isnt people thinking out what trickle down has done for 40 years. Its instinctual. Asking poor people if the rich need to be less rich? Its "How bout them cowboys!" at a bar in Austin. Its a 84 MPH fast ball right down the middle vs Barry Bonds. Its just an easy pop like a comedian mentioning the name of the town hes in during the set.
[B]Whatever the merits of the argument...you dont find real responses to the argument in a poll like that sure to catch mostly poor and middle class answers. Its pure emotion.[/B]
Poor people from any era in history are jealous of rich people. You could get republicans or democrat poor people behind you it would just depend on the message.
In red state its "Hey....you...Joe Sixpack. You bust your ass in the paper mill 50 hours a week keeping our economy strong and your family fed. These NBA players make hundreds of millions and complain about being underpaid while these NFL owners want your money to build their billion dollar stadiums and the hollywood elites make millions while pretending to care about the working man from behind his high walls. Isnt it time they all paid their fair share? Call Senator Harry Whitebread and tell him where to get the money before he votes to take any more from your check"
Play it right you can get the jealous going for anyone.
The average voter doesnt know Grover Norquist. He knows these rich people piss him off though.[/QUOTE]
I explained my opinion about this on the previous page. And you know what? It extends to the poor as well. Why? Because the poorest states in the country vote Republican who have been spouting the same bullshit for 40+ years so obviously they believed it since they've consistently been voting against their self interests.
What you're not taking into account is that to get away with this for so long, they've had to have distractions. Something they could point to over there as the reason for their woes. Something OTHER than the rich. You see the rich are the noble "job creator" whom without which they wouldn't even have the menial jobs they do. No, it's those darn blacks on welfare and um the illegals crossing the border, and "liberals" that are the [I]true [/I]causes.
And because of the mixture of racism, ignorance and stupidity, that's stuck and continues to stick. However, as mentioned, even some of them are starting to wake up. This is what the right fears about AOC.
[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]between the great depression and the rise of reagonomics, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion"][B]aka the long boom[/B][/URL], taxing the filthy rich bigly was as 'murrican as apple pie, chewy.
[IMG]https://image.ibb.co/n92ow9/top-marginal-tax-rate.jpg[/IMG]
the trickle down hustlers know her policy proposals (at least in terms of progressive taxation) are favored by the vast majority of voting eligible citizens.
even the dirt poor repubs who've been getting bamboozled since the early 80s are starting to (slowly) finally figure out that the promised trickle down isn't coming.
they want to see 'murrica become truly great again. long boom style. :crazysam:
gotta nip that in the bud before it spreads. so they sic hannity, bow tie carlson, etc on her.[/QUOTE]
Your graph is missing a line. When the taxes were dropped, the rich paid more of a share of the tax revenue.
[IMG]http://freedomandprosperity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Feb-4-19-Perry.png[/IMG]
And are you even paying attention to your own state? Tons of loss revenue and Andrew Cuomo is nailing those calling for higher taxes on the rich because as conservatives and libertarians told you, they would leave. And that's exactly what's happening.
[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Yup, what a fool like Chewing fails to understand is that it isn't about AOC the person (though she's a dynamic, fearless political entity that will be a force for years to come), it's the fear of her ideas taking hold in the public sphere. We see that their incessant attacking of her, often for lame reasons like dancing, has only served to further raise her profile, thus having the [I]opposite[/I] effect.
But make no mistake, they didn't want the damn cat out of the bag in any serious sense. Those think tanks have spent 40+ years perfecting tactics to brainwash the gullible like Chewing. But a re-evaluation of this started with Occupy, moved on into the mainstream with Bernie and now AOC.
The result? You've got debris like Tucker and Coulter all of a sudden on their "Uh yeah, raise taxes on the wealthy is good, yes good I say" because they see how the wind is blowing.
Guaranteed that once it starts breaking even bigger among conservatives, Chewing will be back with "sheeeet I was always in favor of taxing the rich. It's the libtards that tried to stop it".
Because that's just how conservatives roll. Hypocrisy, obfuscation and dishonesty are their lifeblood.[/QUOTE]
You'd have to be pretty low-IQ to actually think AOC is a "dynamic, fearless" political entity.
You're the opposite side of the same coin of those you criticize. Equally brainwashed who has little knowledge of unintended consequences due to a lack of critical thinking. Individuals react or are incentivized in different ways to new laws but these are never considered - again pay attention to your own state.
[QUOTE=Hawker]Your graph is missing a line. When the taxes were dropped, the rich paid more of a share of the tax revenue.
[IMG]http://freedomandprosperity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Feb-4-19-Perry.png[/IMG]
And are you even paying attention to your own state? Tons of loss revenue and Andrew Cuomo is nailing those calling for higher taxes on the rich because as conservatives and libertarians told you, they would leave. And that's exactly what's happening.[/QUOTE]
Warren Buffet: "yes it's class warfare. And we won".
Architect behind trickle down: Republican tax plans are "myth"
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd[/URL]
How did all that tax cutting work out for Kansas, who basically implemented their own conservative paradise.
[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6"]https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6[/URL]
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]According to a report from the Economic Policy Institute, the [B]average CEO pay is 271 times[/B] the nearly $58,000 annual average pay of the typical American worker. ... Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings [B]were roughly 30 times the typical worker's salary[/B].[/QUOTE]
Just happens to coincide with the arrival of Reaganomics.
60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 emergency.
**** you. The hordes are coming for dat money Hawker. Accept it.
The good news for you is, when even 54% of Republicans are for it, it's going to happen eventually. The question will be how many years, and what the exact federal tax plan will be. Like I said, you'll benefit even though you had to be led kicking and screaming to salvation. Lucky you.
[QUOTE=Hawker]You'd have to be pretty low-IQ to actually think AOC is a "dynamic, fearless" political entity.
You're the opposite side of the same coin of those you criticize. Equally brainwashed who has little knowledge of unintended consequences due to a lack of critical thinking. Individuals react or are incentivized in different ways to new laws but these are never considered - again pay attention to your own state.[/QUOTE]
And you pay attention to Kansas, and the gleaming red state paradises of Miss., Al, etc.
Additionally, insult AOC all you want but she's got conservatives rooting for her tax plan. 54% on FOX NEWS. Well got dayum. Cry about it.
[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Warren Buffet: "yes it's class warfare. And we won".
Architect behind trickle down: Republican tax plans are "myth"
[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd[/URL]
How did all that tax cutting work out for Kansas, who basically implemented their own conservative paradise.
[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6"]https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6[/URL]
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html[/URL]
Just happens to coincide with the arrival of Reaganomics.
60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 emergency.
**** you. The hordes are coming for dat money Hawker. Accept it.
The good news for you is, when even 54% of Republicans are for it, it's going to happen eventually. The question will be how many years, and what the exact federal tax plan will be. Like I said, you'll benefit even though you had to be led kicking and screaming to salvation. Lucky you.[/QUOTE]
Check the tax revenue. Admit it. You don't care about revenue all you care about is arbitrary virtues like "equality" and "fairness."
Your economic outlook just got shredded bud.
You're peddling your own trickle down bullshit as well. Explain how increases in taxes (not revenue because as shown...this isn't the case) is suddenly going to result in higher income for Americans?
That's why you can get 54% to agree in something because they don't understand revenue. Also, jealousy and envy are virtues now due to brainwashing being performed in academia and public high schools.
[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]And you pay attention to Kansas, and the gleaming red state paradises of Miss., Al, etc.
Additionally, insult AOC all you want but she's got conservatives rooting for her tax plan. 54% on FOX NEWS. Well got dayum. Cry about it.[/QUOTE]
Kansas never eliminated all the deductions they were supposed to which was the original plan with reducing the tax rate - which is what happened during Reagan and why you saw an increase in tax revenue as I clearly showed.
Also, what's never considered in all of this is the increased freedom and liberty in those that have additional money to spend to see how they see fit and not give to the government. That's a win in my book.
where's kblaze to hit us with an essay on why taxes shouldnt be raised and everybody just needs to work harder.
[QUOTE=Hawker]Check the tax revenue. Admit it. You don't care about revenue all you care about is arbitrary virtues like "equality" and "fairness."
Your economic outlook just got shredded bud.
You're peddling your own trickle down bullshit as well. Explain how increases in taxes (not revenue because as shown...this isn't the case) is suddenly going to result in higher income for Americans?
That's why you can get 54% to agree in something because they don't understand revenue. Also, jealousy and envy are virtues now due to brainwashing being performed in academia and public high schools.[/QUOTE]
I think it's your own economic outlook getting shredded when Tucker Carlson, Coulter and 54% on a FOX NEWS POLL is coming to the light. The rich aren't some special people that are so above everyone else. Most are the result of inherited wealth, not some great innovations on their part. There was a study from an Italian city that showed the wealth in that city mostly stayed in the hands of the same family since the 1500s! I guess their entire family has been such super awesome job creators all these years.
And to wit, I've never said that taxing the wealthy is the end all/be all solution for all of society and will suddenly make things all equal, but it's a start.
And AGAIN, I work in finance dealing with private equity execs. Get them drunk enough (and sometimes not even) and they'll admit it. I have a good friend who works at a hedge fund who is AOC/Bernie all the way.
You see Hawk, people are starting to realize that this shyt is unsustainable. It just is. 60% of Americans can't afford $1000 emergency. I know your answer is "oh well, f*ck them more tax cuts!!" but it doesn't work like that. The French elite found out about that.
When the pendulum swings way too far one way, there has to be a course correction. so I'm telling you Hawker. I follow politics very closely, including how the "other side" thinks. The rich will eventually have to pay considerably more in taxes. That's the direction the country is going. They know it too which is the entire reason they put up with Trump. For those tax cuts.
But hey, I didn't like trickle down. so you don't have to like rich people paying more taxes (the irony being that most of them would pat you on the head like a dog for defending them).
[QUOTE=tpols]where's kblaze to hit us with an essay on why taxes shouldnt be raised and everybody just needs to work harder.[/QUOTE]
So you getting geared up to tell the poor kid who made it out of the hood what it takes to make it out again?