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[QUOTE=StrongLurk]Yes, Shaq was a top 40 player of all time before Kobe even become a starter in the NBA. Shaq did A LOT of great things before Kobe.

You can't just compare them based on 2001-2010.

Also, Kobe's finish to his career might have been worse than Shaq's...

Shaq's peak/prime was slightly more dominant than Kobe's and they have very similar longevity.[/QUOTE]

I'm not just comparing based on 01-10. I'm talking about Shaq in Orlando, Shaq in Miami, Shaq in Phoenix, Shaq in Cleveland and Shaq in Boston.

There's nothing worse than a Laker great blowing his achilles and ending his career as a Celtic.

Kobe tore his achilles but came back, broke a bone in his knee and still came back, tore his rotator cuff and still came back in his 20th season, played 66 games and finished his career with a 60-pt game that included a game-winner.

[QUOTE=ImKobe]I'm not just comparing based on 01-10. I'm talking about Shaq in Orlando, Shaq in Miami, Shaq in Phoenix, Shaq in Cleveland and Shaq in Boston.

There's nothing worse than a Laker great blowing his achilles and ending his career as a Celtic.

Kobe tore his achilles but came back, broke a bone in his knee and still came back, tore his rotator cuff and still came back in his 20th season, played 66 games and finished his career with a 60-pt game that included a game-winner.[/QUOTE]

Hey, we'll just have to agree to disagree :confusedshrug:

When comparing similar players, I'm taking the player who had the best peak/prime, and for me that is Shaq>Kobe>Duncan.

They are all clearly close and you can't go wrong with any of them :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Śhaq without Kobe - one sidekick ring, 1/2 in the Finals, 0 MVPs

Kobe without Shaq - two rings, two FMVPs, MVP, 3 straight Finals[/QUOTE]

Shaq prime seasons without Kobe: 3 - times playoffs missed: 0

Kobe prime seasons without Shaq: 8-10 - times playoffs missed: 1

Shaq was definately more impactful than Kobe, but he needed a player like Kobe to win. Any great center needs a feeder/wingscorer. That's the nature of the game.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo][B]1st[/B]. A stupidfvck like yourself is going to educate people?


[B]2nd[/B]. LeBron hasn't passed Duncan, Kobe or Shaq??



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I'm in your head all day everyday, and i'm here to stay :lol

this is why SHaq is excluded from the (Mj/Kobe/Lebron) debates.



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LeBron has had greater durability and consistency than Shaq. Shaq in the tail end of his prime began to kind of dog it in the regular season, and would sit too many games. But I don

[QUOTE=Big164]this is why SHaq is excluded from the (Mj/Kobe/Lebron) debates.



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Hmmm I never thought about this

[QUOTE=paksat]l39ron never did, it's just you keep hearing about how great lbj is over and over and over from his stans and his online nerd team that eventually you actually start believing it

they keep repeating it and over a decade it finally starts to rot your insides like the cancer he is

that's why people like me exist, to educate the masses and push back the tidal wave of non-sense

he never even surpassed duncan, hell he never even surpassed kobe[/QUOTE]

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Or Tim Duncan...

I’m putting Duncan, Shaq and Kobe ahead of Lebron. Hakeem too. Lebron is below those players in my opinion but ahead of Wade and Paul Pierce. I think him and Dirk are close. Dirk carried teams in the West and also beat the big 3.