Ben Wallace

Only 9 players last year played 35 MPG or more. Only 1 PF/C. Ben Wallace during his run with the Pistons would have led the league in MPG twice, and had two other seasons being 4th by last years standards.

So in a league that values all the things Ben Wallace did less than 15 years ago he's going to only put up better numbers? IMO it's outrageous to think he'd play more than anybody in the league today. What team is trotting Ben Wallace out for 35-39 MPG a night? It's entirely unrealistic to think he's getting anymore than 26-29 MPG. So he's going to score more than he ever has in 7-10 less MPG? Guess it's subjective but that's kinda wild to me.

If Ben Wallace scored 15 PPG last year he would have outscored Steven Adams, Enes Kanter, Al Horford, Marc Gasol, Myles Turner, Brook Lopez, Whiteside, D.Jordan. Ben Wallace isn't as good offensively as someone like Capela. He's nowhere near as big as someone like Gobert. If Gobert was 6'7 he wouldn't score like he does.

If we are starting from an assumption that Ben Wallace can

With or without PED's?

[QUOTE=Haymaker]To me he will always be the one who made Ron Artest shit in his pants. :applause:[/QUOTE]

Not at all.

Artest at the time was walking a thin line to avoid issues.

He held himself back.

But that cup landing square on his chest and splattering on his face just made him snap.

He didn't fear Wallace one damn bit.

Wallace was a popcorn beach body specialist, but he wasn't naturally the strongest or toughest.

Artest would wreck him in a fight.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]He would still be a defensive player of the year now. The game is obviously less physical but he was essentially a wing size wise who played center so he could fit in today switching and moving his feet just fine. Pair him with some star he could get a good connection with like Capella and Steven Adams have had he

Ability to score and dunking uncontested lobs and tipping balls in playing off a superstar playmaker aren’t really the same thing. The era differences make it too hard to lock down production comparisons between the guys who peaked in the early 2000’s and the nonsense we saw last year. Warriors go out and score 50 points in a quarter while the Pistons held a team to 54 points in a playoff game...

It’s hard to make direct comparisons. Teams were not built the same. Teams are more concerned with depth and will use it even in the playoffs. The specialists....the lineups tracked by effectiveness. So you don’t just add possessions and open it up and have a guy who average 30 then come take 32 shots a game and get 38....

There is no way to compare it but off opportunity an extra tip in and lob is not out of the question playing with the right lineup. But he would need to be on a team like he was on then only dropped into a modern league which will give him more opportunity which is unrealistic to begin with because they don’t build teams like he played on.

He’s a low skill garbageman and the issue is how much garbage he’d be there to gather.

None of these guys in question score with much skill.

Adams has some but I’m not sure any of these other names coming up do. Drummond thinks he does which is why he still tries to carry an offense at times but most don’t even pretend.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Ability to score and dunking uncontested lobs and tipping balls in playing off a superstar playmaker aren

More of an issue when big men got the ball. If you pull up Pistons games from then you

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If we are starting from an assumption that Ben Wallace can

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Nobody is going to throw him the ball expecting him to do something impressive with it. But put him against these lineups of much softer by design big men?
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You never seem to factor in the otherside for some reason. Softer big men for sure. It's also how the league is reffed. Ben Wallace was like a bull in a china shop. You wouldn't be able to do any of that stuff. Watch a clip of Shaq in like 2001. Half of that stuff nowadays is an offensive foul unless your a perimeter player.

Today's league is completely geared towards guards/perimeter players. I think this era is the last era you'd ever wanna be a big man outside of finesse big men. Like Dirk would have been better off starting his career in 2019. Ben Wallace is the last guy who'd want to start his career in this era. He had two seasons in the 9 PPG range, he's a career 5.7 PPG guy on 5 FGA..

Overrated back then but definitely better suited to play in todays game where his lack of size wont be much of a factor going up against todays bigs.

[QUOTE=Reggie43]Overrated back then but definitely better suited to play in todays game where his lack of size wont be much of a factor going up against todays bigs.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't overrated one bit. He was the best defensive player in the league for a good 6-7 years.

Ben certainly wouldn't be that impactful today. When he played, not many bigs shoot 3s. Nowadays many of them space the floor, making Ben's rim protection less effective. Add to that he's really awful at the line with really awful offensive game. He wouldn't even score a point against Enes Kanter.

But he'll still be DPOY candidate. Basically the same player, just less impact.

maybe not literally the best at rotating, but one of the best ever at getting his hands on the ball, and at boarding

his offense was atrocious

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]Not at all.

Artest at the time was walking a thin line to avoid issues.

He held himself back.

But that cup landing square on his chest and splattering on his face just made him snap.

He didn't fear Wallace one damn bit.

Wallace was a popcorn beach body specialist, but he wasn't naturally the strongest or toughest.

Artest would wreck him in a fight.[/QUOTE]
No man, Artest pedaled back as a scared cat would. He knew he was playing with fire and that pissed off beast of a man was coming right at him to rip his head off. That, my dude, was FEAR.