Comparing AD to Kareem.
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Comparing AD to Kareem.
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[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]Comparing AD to Kareem.
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well we already know that previous eras produced superior basketball players because the lack of spacing and hands-off defense made the game harder
regardless, AD's soft, basic game is the standard today, and he ranks similarly in today's game as kareem did in his day (AD probably gets MVP this year)
so it's a valid comparison, especially considering they're both bird-fed and need historic PG's to have good teams.
[QUOTE=3ball]well we already know that previous eras produced superior basketball players because the lack of spacing and hands-off defense made the game harder
regardless, AD's softer and more basic game is the standard today, [B]and he ranks similarly in today's game as kareem did in his day[/B] (AD probably gets MVP this year)[/QUOTE]
Kareem was a 6 time MVP, GTFOH :oldlol:
[QUOTE=3ball]well we already know that previous eras produced superior basketball players because the lack of spacing and hands-off defense made the game harder
regardless, AD's soft, basic game is the standard today, and he ranks similarly in today's game as kareem did in his day (AD probably gets MVP this year)[/QUOTE]
1st, AD has zero shot at the MVP. :oldlol: :oldlol:
2nd, Kareem had an unstoppable shot that he could get off at any time and on anyone. I would dare anyone to tell me what AD's go-to-move even is.
[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]1st, AD has zero shot at the MVP. :oldlol: :oldlol:
2nd, Kareem had an unstoppable shot that he could get off at any time and on anyone. I would dare anyone to tell me what AD's go-to-move even is.[/QUOTE]
I agree that kareem was far better then AD and had the best go-to move in history
and could therefore create his shot quite well
but he still needed to be bird-fed to get that sky-hook off
he didn't quite have it like Duncan, who could square up and make plays and punish defenses - Duncan didn't need no magic or Oscar.. a couple short euros is all he needed (basically nothing compared to kareem)
as you can see, i'm adjusting the rankings as we're discussing them.. I now have Duncan ahead of bird-fed, historic-pg-needing kareem, and i've bumped magic down below the physical force bigs wilt/shaq and also below duncan.. so magic is appropriately ranked with lebron and oscar around the 7-9 range
[QUOTE=3ball][B]I agree that kareem was far better then AD and had the best go-to move in history[/B]
and could therefore create his shot quite well
but he still needed to be bird-fed to get that sky-hook off
he didn't quite have it like Duncan, who could square up and make plays and punish defenses - Duncan didn't need no magic or Oscar.. a couple short euros is all he needed (basically nothing compared to kareem)[/QUOTE]
Good, so stop making these dumbass threads then.
[QUOTE=Shogon]3ball is a gimmick account. It's not real. You're laughing at the wind.[/QUOTE]
It's real
That's actually a disturbing revelation so i'll pause for a second.
But yes, he's incredibly easy to read and pick apart. His tactics are weak, and his overarching arguments are poor and unstable, which forces him to deploy said weak tactics to mask them. It's a viscous cycle. That's why you see 5-10 new threads like this a week, he's constantly having to formulate and revise nonsensical narratives to justify his beliefs.
It's literally like a retard who thinks the world is flat so he ignores logic, evidence, and reason in favor of pseudo-science and fallaciousness.
Obviously very sad, but moreso comical IMO. :lol
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.]It's real
That's actually a disturbing revelation so i'll pause for a second.
But yes, he's incredibly easy to read and pick apart. His tactics are weak, and his overarching arguments are poor and unstable, which forces him to deploy said weak tactics to mask them. It's a viscous cycle. That's why you see 5-10 new threads like this a week, he's constantly having to formulate and revise nonsensical narratives to justify his beliefs.
It's literally like a retard who thinks the world is flat so he ignores logic, evidence, and reason in favor of pseudo-science and fallaciousness.
Obviously very sad, but moreso comical IMO. :lol[/QUOTE]
Goodness :roll: Sad
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[B]Adjusted rankings based on discussion itt:[/B]
1) MJ
2) Bird
3) Kobe
4) Wilt
5) Shaq
6) Duncan
7) Magic
8) Kareem
9) Russell
10) Lebron
11) Oscar
12) Dr. J
13) Durant
[B]1) 2-way assassins with scoring versatility are first tier (mj/bird/kobe)
2) goat physical force bigs are 2nd tier (wilt/shaq)
3) goat PG's that bird-feed are 3rd tier (magic, lebron)
4) bird-fed bigs are the 4th tier (kareem, russell)
- the exceptions are Duncan, who was ranked AHEAD of goat pg's because he wasn't bird-fed and could carry teams on his own, unlike Kareem and Russell.. and also goat PG oscar, who was ranked below the goat pg's and bird-fed bigs[/B]
[I]Other notes[/I]
- Realistically, Magic and Kareem can't both be ranked top 5, because they're too much help for each other, so that's in line with the aforementioned logic.
- I could almost put Duncan over Shaq - Shaq had Kobe when he beat Duncan, and Duncan still beat Shaq/Kobe once in their prime (03').
- I [U]wanted[/U] to put Oscar over Lebron because was a goat shooter and would've won more chips if he had great teammates earlier in his career.... however, I couldn't get over his rudimentary, basic handle and put him over Bron with a straight face..
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[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.]It's real
That's actually a disturbing revelation so i'll pause for a second.
But yes, he's incredibly easy to read and pick apart. His tactics are weak, and his overarching arguments are poor and unstable, which forces him to deploy said weak tactics to mask them. It's a viscous cycle. That's why you see 5-10 new threads like this a week, he's constantly having to formulate and revise nonsensical narratives to justify his beliefs.
It's literally like a retard who thinks the world is flat so he ignores logic, evidence, and reason in favor of pseudo-science and fallaciousness.
Obviously very sad, but moreso comical IMO. :lol[/QUOTE]
Actually, no... it's not real.
And I know this for a "fact"(as much as anyone can ever 'know' something) for two reasons...
1) He posted in a thread he didn't create... a couple of years back (deleted... thanks Jeff for purging a year+ of topics) saying that Kobe would absolutely destroy MJ 1 on 1... I called him out on it, he laughed, weakly tried to defend it, and everyone ignored it as is usually the case on this site when I point things out unless I'm being inflammatory or someone is making fun of me.
2) Kblaze has straight up stated that he's an alt. While kblaze does not have access to IPs, he does have access to see deleted posts, so when someone screws up and posts something on the wrong account, deletes it, and posts it on the right one... he sees that.
3ball is a gimmick account.
I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I don't care. It's unimportant. What is important, is that it's an alt.
I will say this.
While I don't agree with where Kareem is in the rankings in the OP, I do think Kareem tends to get a bit over-rated at times.
Still, easily, one of the best players of all-time, but his career was greatly impacted in a positive way by Magic's arrival. Kareem's internal "give-a-shit" meter was never super high...he's even talked about this before iirc.
Long story short...I don't think it is crazy to take Duncan over Kareem. Part of that is because I still feel Duncan is under-rated...and the other part is that I think Kareem benefitted a little more than people realize from Magic and some of those Lakers squads.
[QUOTE=LoneyROY7]Good, so stop making these dumbass threads then.[/QUOTE]
actually, how many scoring titles did kareem win with that skyhook?
MJ won at least 3 scoring titles with the fadeaway (96-98'), so his fadeaway is the goat move
people forget that MJ made over 700 jumpers in 1997 - that's 250 more than Curry or Lebron's high, at better efficiency than Lebron's best season
so mj's fadeaway is infact the goat move, and better than kareem's skyhook ([U]bird-fed[/U] skyhook)
[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Goodness :roll: Sad[/QUOTE]
It's like a reality show to me man, 3ball's insanity gives me a dopamine hit everytime which ensures I come back to shit on him at least once a week :lol
LeBron Fam is eating so unbelievably good :banana:
[QUOTE=Shogon]Actually, no... it's not real.
And I know this for a "fact"(as much as anyone can ever 'know' something) for two reasons...
1) He posted in a thread he didn't create... a couple of years back (deleted... thanks Jeff for purging a year+ of topics) saying that Kobe would absolutely destroy MJ 1 on 1... I called him out on it, he laughed, weakly tried to defend it, and everyone ignored it as is usually the case on this site when I point things out unless I'm being inflammatory or someone is making fun of me.
2) Kblaze has straight up stated that he's an alt. While kblaze does not have access to IPs, he does have access to see deleted posts, so when someone screws up and posts something on the wrong account, deletes it, and posts it on the right one... he sees that.
3ball is a gimmick account.
I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I don't care. It's unimportant. What is important, is that it's an alt.[/QUOTE]
LOL
that's interesting. I'm definitely willing to accept hard evidence, but it looks as though you just have some anecdotes that may or may not have validity behind them. Screenshots, man!
Also, even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't necessarily prove that 3ball isn't being genuine. If anything it moreso proves he has schizophrenia and other serious mental illnesses. Which we all sort of already expect in the 1st place.. lol
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I will say this.
While I don't agree with where Kareem is in the rankings in the OP, I do think Kareem tends to get a bit over-rated at times.
Still, easily, one of the best players of all-time, but his career was greatly impacted in a positive way by Magic's arrival. Kareem's internal "give-a-shit" meter was never super high...he's even talked about this before iirc.
Long story short...I don't think it is crazy to take Duncan over Kareem. Part of that is because I still feel Duncan is under-rated...and the other part is that I think Kareem benefitted a little more than people realize from Magic and some of those Lakers squads.[/QUOTE]
indeed, the main gist of this thread is that AD has shed light on Kareem's game because they both needed goat PG's to have a great team (or even a [I]good[/I] team).. so the goat PG's and bird-[u]feeders[/u] like Magic and Lebron should be ahead of bird-[U]fed[/U] bigs like Kareem and Russell
And this means that guys like Duncan gets bumped up a few spots, since he could legitimately carry his own team and wasn't bird-fed..
Ultimately, 2-way assassins/versatile scorers are the 1st tier... goat physical bigs are 2nd tier (wilt, shaq)… Duncan is in his own 3rd tier ahead of the 4th tier (goat bird-feeders like magic/lebron) and 5th tier (bird-fed bigs like kareem/russell)
the adjusted rankings are above (post #24) - other people's rankings will differ of course, but the gist of the thread was that AD has shed light on other bigs that needed goat PG's to have even a good team, let alone great team.