Tom Brady is the most accomplished athlete in North American sports in the modern era

I'm a Patriots fan, not necessarily a Brady fan.. was still thrilled at what happened last night.

But I feel like I know a secret. That Brady is much more mortal than people realize.. that he benefitted from playing in an uncompetitive division for most of his career (as did Lebron benefit from playing in the East).. that he got very lucky and depended on his defense to pull him through his slumps. That as a pure QB performer he is not in a league of his own, but is in a top tier with at least a half-dozen names in it.

Brady because of his team's infrastructure and the division they played in, had a guaranteed pass to the second round of the playoffs every season. Remember when he got suspended and the Patriots went undefeated while he was out? Remember when he was out for the year and the Pats were still a .500 team?

I feel like I'm the only one who's noticed that Brady has almost never played more than two consecutive quarters of good football.

He's a great leader. He makes people stiffen their upper lip and believe in themselves. I do think he inspired that defensive performance in part. But the defense was the MVP of that game, not Brady. As it was two years ago as well. And as it was against the Seahawks.

If Mahomes' offensive line was healthy and could block, this is another Mahomes comeback game, and it becomes a coin flip.

All that said, if you win, you're the one who won, and the other guy is the one who lost. Brady has the GOAT resume by far, so he gets to be the GOAT.

Until Mahomes has a better resume, which he will, and is regarded as the GOAT, which he will be in 20 years. Because he has the infrastructure too, and more talent.

[QUOTE=tpols;14245982]The centers back then were not scrawny at all. Go look at pictures of Nate Thurmond, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Willis Reed etc. Those guys were way bigger and more physically imposing than centers of today. Rudy Gobert is a top center today and he would get rag dolled by those guys. And less teams,meant Russell was constantly pitted head to head with Wilt. That's a major major matchup to be facing. Arnold said Wilt made him feel like a weakling.[/QUOTE]

The hell are you talking about guys werent scrawny back then? Have you looked at the pictures?

Even the largest guys of that era (like the ones you just mentioned) are scrawny compared to most modern bball players. The science of strength+conditioning+nutrition has become miles more advanced since that era... ffs back in those days dudes were smoking cigs during halftime. Rudy Gobert has 20 lbs on Thurmond and Kareem and was the same weight as reed (Reed wasnt nearly as muscular, look at the pics)... the only one you mentioned who would have a chance of pushing him was Chamberlain. Anyway compared to other top centers Rudy is kind of scrawny, put Embiid or Jokic against Thurmond or Kareem (who both have a ~60ish lbs advantage) and it would be comical how easy they would get pushed around.

[QUOTE=Clifton;14246003]I'm a Patriots fan, not necessarily a Brady fan.. was still thrilled at what happened last night.

But I feel like I know a secret. That Brady is much more mortal than people realize.. that he benefitted from playing in an uncompetitive division for most of his career (as did Lebron benefit from playing in the East).. that he got very lucky and depended on his defense to pull him through his slumps. That as a pure QB performer he is not in a league of his own, but is in a top tier with at least a half-dozen names in it.

Brady because of his team's infrastructure and the division they played in, had a guaranteed pass to the second round of the playoffs every season. Remember when he got suspended and the Patriots went undefeated while he was out? Remember when he was out for the year and the Pats were still a .500 team?

I feel like I'm the only one who's noticed that Brady has almost never played more than two consecutive quarters of good football.

He's a great leader. He makes people stiffen their upper lip and believe in themselves. I do think he inspired that defensive performance in part. But the defense was the MVP of that game, not Brady. As it was two years ago as well. And as it was against the Seahawks.

If Mahomes' offensive line was healthy and could block, this is another Mahomes comeback game, and it becomes a coin flip.

All that said, if you win, you're the one who won, and the other guy is the one who lost. Brady has the GOAT resume by far, so he gets to be the GOAT.

Until Mahomes has a better resume, which he will, and is regarded as the GOAT, which he will be in 20 years. Because he has the infrastructure too, and more talent.[/QUOTE]

Great post

[QUOTE=GOBB;14245983]So much wrong here. First I listed players who accomplished a lot in their sport. Tom Brady SB rings/wins and his MVP was the only thing listed. Then what was asked is who accomplished more. I listed people who accomplished more. So now you tell me well some arent even considered the GOAT in their respective sport. Neither is Tom Brady. When you look up who is considered the greatest football player (not by position only) in history? Tom Brady name isnt at the top of that list. So you disqualify names from my list based on a criteria that even Tom Brady doesn't even meet. Tom Brady is not even top 10 greatest ATHLETE of all time if you want to play the semantics game of what an athlete truly is. What qualifies one as an athlete. Before I really go into it, lets define that so we are on the same page.[/QUOTE]

I disqualified names on your list because the title of this thread is "most accomplished athlete in north american sports in the modern era". You listed 2 people who are considered the GOATs in north american sports in the modern era, as well as a couple people who succeeded in past eras, a couple people who play 2nd or 3rd tier sports like tennis and swimming that nobody actually cares about, and a guy from a past era who was not an athlete and made a name for himself playing a game not a sport.

The only playing semantics here is you. If you cant see why Brady is an athlete and Jack Nicklaus isnt, I have doubts about whether you have actually watched/played football or golf. I am a decent golfer and I have senior citizen relatives who are 30-40 years older that can consistently destroy me on the golf course... but in any real sport like basketball/football/baseball/soccer/etc I would run circles around them.

[QUOTE=Nanners;14246006]The hell are you talking about guys werent scrawny back then? Have you looked at the pictures?

Even the largest guys of that era (like the ones you just mentioned) are scrawny compared to most modern bball players. The science of strength+conditioning+nutrition has become miles more advanced since that era... ffs back in those days dudes were smoking cigs during halftime. Rudy Gobert has 20 lbs on Thurmond and Kareem and was the same weight as reed (Reed wasnt nearly as muscular, look at the pics)... the only one you mentioned who would have a chance of pushing him was Chamberlain. Anyway compared to other top centers Rudy is kind of scrawny, put Embiid or Jokic against Thurmond or Kareem (who both have a ~60ish lbs advantage) and it would be comical how easy they would get pushed around.[/QUOTE]

Yea Rudy Gobert is going to push Kareem Wilt Russell and Thurmond around. :oldlol: That's hilarious.


You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobert and JOKIC of all people, whose not even a good defender, are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:

c'mon man

Bill Russell played in a golden age of centers. Brady is playing in a golden age of QBs.

[QUOTE=Nanners;14246015]I disqualified names on your list because the title of this thread is "most accomplished athlete in north american sports in the modern era". You listed 2 people who are considered the GOATs in north american sports in the modern era, as well as a couple people who succeeded in past eras, a couple people who play 2nd or 3rd tier sports like tennis and swimming that nobody actually cares about, and a guy from a past era who was not an athlete and made a name for himself playing a game not a sport.

The only playing semantics here is you. If you cant see why Brady is an athlete and Jack Nicklaus isnt, I have doubts about whether you have actually watched/played football or golf. I am a decent golfer and I have senior citizen relatives who are 30-40 years older that can consistently destroy me on the golf course... but in any real sport like basketball/football/baseball/soccer/etc I would run circles around them.[/QUOTE]

"Most accomplished" then proceeds to cite SB appearances, SB wins, MVPs. I listed people who accomplished more than what Tom did in that regad. That's just facts. Now you want to type nonsense like 2nd and 3rd tier sports, past era, this guy wasn't an athlete blah blah blah. Utter ****ing nonsense. Tom Brady is an athlete based on what? Give me your damn definition for a second time. Because you're sounding incredibly stupid. What is Tom Brady destroying anyone in? Lifting? No. Running? No. Tom is just throwing the ball. What makes him more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus USING your logic? Where if you took the people you golfed with that handed your ass? You'd destroy them in soccer, baseball, football, basketball. Tom Brady is destroying what athlete in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc? Tom throws the ball for a living. He's not an explosive runner. He's never been one to use his legs even in his prime. What is he doing in other sports like you are when u take your golfing buddies (non athletes) to other sporting realms and destroy them. I'm waiting to hear this.

[QUOTE=tpols;14246020]Yea Rudy Gobery is going to push these guys around. :old lol:

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You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobery and JOKIC whose not even a good defender are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:[/QUOTE]

I didnt say Rudy was going to push them around, I just pointed out that he has a 20lb weight advantage on two of the four guys you said would "ragdoll" him.

Kareem is undoubtedly one of the GOATs, and I wouldnt be surprised if a prime Kareem would be competitive Gobert or Jokic or Embiid (especially considering Kareems game was built around his soft touch, footwork, and misdirection, rather than brute strength). That said its absurd to suggest that someone like Kareem at 7'2" and 225lbs was more imposing than the centers of today when theres dudes like Embiid playing at 7'0 and 280lbs.

Yea but Wilt was like 300 lbs on the Lakers and Kareem had to box it out with him. So I can't see these other guys being an issue, but whatever.

A lot of people here upset with having to acknowledge that Tom is the GOAT. :oldlol:

Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14246036]A lot of people here upset with having to acknowledge that Tom is the GOAT. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

You can’t ignore him at this point. If you try to refute 7 rings plus all his playoff and regular season records and stats you just look like a retard. Brady is undisputed that is the part they hate

[QUOTE=Wally450;14246037]Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.[/QUOTE]

Is Tom Brady great? Yes
Is Tom Brady a HOF? Yes
Does Tom Brady have arguably the best resume in football history? Yes
Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Arguably yes
Is Tom Brady a winner? Yes
Is Tom Brady a leader? Yes
Does Tom Brady need Bill B? No
Did Tom Brady help Gronk, Antonio Brown, Fournette? Yes

I don’t hate Tom Brady I hate the silly narratives by the Brady bunch. I hate the Brady bunch which is comparable to Beyoncé Beehive. If me saying Jerry rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders were better football players in the all time rankings has you upset? Sorry not sorry. Doesn’t make me a hater.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14246022]"Most accomplished" then proceeds to cite SB appearances, SB wins, MVPs. I listed people who accomplished more than what Tom did in that regad. That's just facts. Now you want to type nonsense like 2nd and 3rd tier sports, past era, this guy wasn't an athlete blah blah blah. Utter ****ing nonsense. Tom Brady is an athlete based on what? Give me your damn definition for a second time. Because you're sounding incredibly stupid. What is Tom Brady destroying anyone in? Lifting? No. Running? No. Tom is just throwing the ball. What makes him more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus USING your logic? Where if you took the people you golfed with that handed your ass? You'd destroy them in soccer, baseball, football, basketball. Tom Brady is destroying what athlete in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc? Tom throws the ball for a living. He's not an explosive runner. He's never been one to use his legs even in his prime. What is he doing in other sports like you are when u take your golfing buddies (non athletes) to other sporting realms and destroy them. I'm waiting to hear this.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

Do you really not know what "athlete means", or are you just pretending to be stupid because you think somehow it will help your argument?

Athlete - noun - a person who competes in one or more sports that involve physical strength, speed or endurance.

You know who Tom Brady would destroy in lifting, running, basketball, baseball, soccer, and virtually any other test of athletic ability? Jack Nicklaus at any age. The only thing Jack is better at is hitting a ball with a stick in a big open field... if you want to call him an athlete then you might as well call pool players and bowlers athletes too.

[QUOTE=Wally450;14246037]Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.[/QUOTE]

Cause the coach and QB who won a Super Bowl for Philly just a few years ago are already gone. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=GOBB;14246044]
Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Arguably yes
[/QUOTE]

There isn't an argument. Tom Brady is far and away the best QB ever.