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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299550]I'd like to see OP explain this
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I'd like to see how many teams in history have ever put together a run like that, let alone one missing a top 2-3 player in the league[/QUOTE]
How many teams had the best team in the league and then added the second best player in the league? It's almost like mj's bulls getting olajuwon or something. Of course they could then lose him and still almost go undefeated.
I think people forget Dray wouldve been FMVP if they didnt lose by a hair. He was out there dropping 30+ point games in a low scoring Finals Game 7. Its amazing the offensive decline he's gone through. 5 ppg lmao.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14299560]How many teams had the best team in the league and then added the second best player in the league? It's almost like mj's bulls getting olajuwon or something. Of course they could then lose him and still almost go undefeated.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, it completely debunks OP's claims since this takes into account 2017-19, when the league had absolutely caught up to and emulated the Warriors style of play. They did that with worse depth than 2016 and a declining Dray
they were that good, and would've won the entire thing had dray not been suspended. not an excuse, but it is what it is.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299550]I'd like to see OP explain this
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I'd like to see how many teams in history have ever put together a run like that, let alone one missing a top 2-3 player in the league[/QUOTE]
It shouldn't surprise anyone that the first-movers in the 3-point game looked amazing regardless who was out there..
Or maybe you think klay can actually go 31-1 by himself
Strategy doesn't need talent to win.. That's the whole point..
And role players or system bums will always look much better while the strategy edge exists, and then look bummy once the edge is gone
Curry's still good though - it's his gimmic or format the league is using.. he wouldn't look bummy unless you removed the 3-point line, or removed today's 3-point strategy that gets him 10+ attempts a game.. he was a 19 ppg scorer for 3 straight years at 5 attempts before his attempts skyrocketed under the current 3-point format
[QUOTE=tpols;14299562]I think people forget Dray wouldve been FMVP if they didnt lose by a hair. He was out there dropping 30+ point games in a low scoring Finals Game 7. Its amazing the offensive decline he's gone through. 5 ppg lmao.[/QUOTE]
People also forget how strong the bench was, particularly in 2015. Obviously Iggy was technically off the bench, although he was clearly a better player than Barnes, which is why he started after a couple games in the finals. So idk if that really counts.
But guys like Livingston, Barbosa, Speights, and David Lee were all solid offensively. Most nights the weren't really tasked with doing much, but they were certainly capable if Steph or Klay were off.
Didnt they make the Finals in 2019 without Durant?
It's time for OP to admit he was wrong about Oubre
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14299573]People also forget how strong the bench was, particularly in 2015. Obviously Iggy was technically off the bench, although he was clearly a better player than Barnes, which is why he started after a couple games in the finals. So idk if that really counts.
But guys like Livingston, Barbosa, Speights, and David Lee were all solid offensively. Most nights the weren't really tasked with doing much, but they were certainly capable if Steph or Klay were off.[/QUOTE]
You guys are making my point by saying how great everyone looked during the strategy edge, and how much worse they look now that the edge is gone
It shouldn't surprise anyone that the first-movers in the 3-point game looked amazing regardless who was out there..
Or maybe you think klay can actually go 31-1 by himself
Strategy doesn't need talent to win.. That's the whole point..
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299565]Regardless, it completely debunks OP's claims since this takes into account 2017-19, when the league had absolutely caught up to and emulated the Warriors style of play. They did that with worse depth than 2016 and a declining Dray[/QUOTE]
Yeah Don't disagree with that
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14299565]Regardless, it completely debunks OP's claims since this takes into account 2017-19, when the league had absolutely caught up to and emulated the Warriors style of play. They did that with worse depth than 2016 and a declining Dray[/QUOTE]
The league didn't catch up by 2017
It took longer than that
Klay can't go 31-1 without a strategy edge.. he isn't goat
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14299573]People also forget how strong the bench was, particularly in 2015. Obviously Iggy was technically off the bench, although he was clearly a better player than Barnes, which is why he started after a couple games in the finals. So idk if that really counts.
But guys like Livingston, Barbosa, Speights, and David Lee were all solid offensively. Most nights the weren't really tasked with doing much, but they were certainly capable if Steph or Klay were off.[/QUOTE]
Yea, bench was really strong in 2015 & 2016. Then they beat a Houston team with Harden/CP3 in 2019 with a weaker bench and no KD. The whole "league caught up to them" is nonsense. They were just a team with amazing chemistry that eventually lost some pieces and dealt with injuries. Klay is 100x better than Wiggins and Oubre.
[QUOTE=3ball;14299575]You guys are making my point by saying how great everyone looked during the strategy edge, [B]and how much worse they look now that the edge is gone
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It shouldn't surprise anyone that the first-movers in the 3-point game looked amazing regardless who was out there..
Or maybe you think klay can actually go 31-1 by himself
Strategy doesn't need talent to win.. That's the whole point..[/QUOTE]
You realize the year I was referencing was 6 years ago right :lol
Every single person that I mentioned is either retired or playing light minutes off the bench somewhere else.
Iggy was 31. Lee was 31. Livingston was 30. Barbosa was 32.
Again...that was their age 6 years ago.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14299579]Yea, bench was really strong in 2015 & 2016. Then they beat a Houston team with Harden/CP3 in 2019 with a weaker bench and no KD. The whole "league caught up to them" is nonsense. They were just a team with amazing chemistry that eventually lost some pieces and dealt with injuries. Klay is 100x better than Wiggins and Oubre.[/QUOTE]
Yes the bench looks really strong with a strategy edge
They look much worse now without it
Thanks for making the point of the thread
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14299573]People also forget how strong the bench was, particularly in 2015. Obviously Iggy was technically off the bench, although he was clearly a better player than Barnes, which is why he started after a couple games in the finals. So idk if that really counts.
But guys like Livingston, Barbosa, Speights, and David Lee were all solid offensively. Most nights the weren't really tasked with doing much, but they were certainly capable if Steph or Klay were off.[/QUOTE]
Yep, look at the first 2 games of the 2016 Finals, Curry & Klay score 20 then 35 points COMBINED and the Warriors win both games in complete blowouts
[QUOTE=3ball;14299582]Yes the bench looks really strong with a strategy edge
They look much worse now without it
Thanks for making the point of the thread[/QUOTE]
Why didnt that strategy edge make the bench look good in 2019 but the Warriors still beat Harden and CP3 and made the Finals? Thanks for making my point.