It's not even controversial. A lot of serious boxing fans put Holmes at #3. Most fans put him at least top 7.
Disagreeing is fine, but acting astounded that he's ranked so high just shows ignorance.
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It's not even controversial. A lot of serious boxing fans put Holmes at #3. Most fans put him at least top 7.
Disagreeing is fine, but acting astounded that he's ranked so high just shows ignorance.
I think Fury deserves discussion for top 10.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452638]I think Fury deserves discussion for top 10.[/QUOTE]
he needs more of a sample size of big fights before he makes top 10. and it's not to say he's gonna just crack the top 10. I think if he can dominate usyk or Joshua and defend successfully for another 5 years then I would put him possibly top 3 behind Ali and Marciano
hes like giannis in the way that he just needs a bigger body of work before he's ranked all time period
Frazier was so badass back then too
[QUOTE=Kobe_Bryant;14452648]he needs more of a sample size of big fights before he makes top 10. and it's not to say he's gonna just crack the top 10. I think if he can dominate usyk or Joshua and defend successfully for another 5 years then I would put him possibly top 3 behind Ali and Marciano
hes like giannis in the way that he just needs a bigger body of work before he's ranked all time period[/QUOTE]
You can argue his resume is already better than Mike Tyson, a guy who you have #10.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452652]You can argue his resume is already better than Mike Tyson, a guy who you have #10.[/QUOTE]
how do you know where I have tyson ranked. I've never once posted a top 10 list. and my ranking changes all the time. the only clear thing is Ali is #1 based on other fighters opinions. sometimes I have tyson 8, 9, 10 or even 11th
there's no set criteria. it's just what you value most any given day
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452638]I think Fury deserves discussion for top 10.[/QUOTE]
The way he dismantled Klitchko and Wilder, for sure.
Plus we can see Fury would be a big problem for anyone in boxing history.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14452654]The way he dismantled Klitchko and Wilder, for sure.
Plus we can see Fury would be a big problem for anyone in boxing history.[/QUOTE]
I love fury but he beat an old klitchko and wilder can't even box
I wanna see him go up against a good young fighter of equal skill like the past greats
I can see his skills are all time great but he needs legit wins to pass other guys that had many
tyson is the only guy I can bump for fury right now cause he mostly beat bums too and lost to every equally great fighter
[QUOTE=Kobe_Bryant;14452656]I love fury but he beat an old klitchko and wilder can't even box
I wanna see him go up against a good young fighter of equal skill like the past greats
I can see his skills are all time great but he needs legit wins to pass other guys that had many
tyson is the only guy I can bump for fury right now cause he mostly beat bums too and lost to every equally great fighter[/QUOTE]
Klitschko before the Fury fight went 10+ years without losing a fight, and the year after he lost to Fury he went up against a peak Joshua and pretty much faught him to a draw before he got TKO'd in the 11th. Klitschko wasn't washed by any means.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14452654]The way he dismantled Klitchko and Wilder, for sure.
Plus we can see Fury would be a big problem for anyone in boxing history.[/QUOTE]
No doubt, shit all you want about Wilder's boxing skills, but as far as punching power goes, he's probably the hardest hitting boxer ever, not even Mike Tyson could knock you out with just one punch the way Wilder did. I could only imagine how nasty Wilder would have been if he actually had some good skills.
I believe Fury in the condition he was in his 2nd Wilder fight beats most heavyweights in history.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452658]Klitschko before the Fury fight went 10+ years without losing a fight, and the year after he lost to Fury he went up against a peak Joshua and pretty much faught him to a draw before he got TKO'd in the 11th. Klitschko wasn't washed by any means.[/QUOTE]
you just made my point for me. he was at the end of a 10 year run. he was finished
[QUOTE=Kobe_Bryant;14452661]you just made my point for me. he was at the end of a 10 year run. he was finished[/QUOTE]
Klitschko was the Vegas favorite to beat Fury, try again.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452660]No doubt, shit all you want about Wilder's boxing skills, but as far as punching power goes, he's probably the hardest hitting boxer ever, not even Mike Tyson could knock you out with just one punch the way Wilder did. I could only imagine how nasty Wilder would have been if he actually had some good skills.
I believe Fury in the condition he was in his 2nd Wilder fight beats most heavyweights in history.[/QUOTE]
No way he is the hardest hittin hw ever... rubbish spewed from the start. Most of the previous champs would have had similar ko numbers with his resume. Before Fury, the best boxer he beat was 40+ year old Ortiz... Let that sink in.
[QUOTE=plowking;14452665]No way he is the hardest hittin hw ever... rubbish spewed from the start. Most of the previous champs would have had similar ko numbers with his resume. Before Fury, the best boxer he beat was 40+ year old Ortiz... Let that sink in.[/QUOTE]
Yes, as far as raw hitting power goes, Wilder is the GOAT. Tyson would knock you out with combinations, Wilder just needed one shot.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14452668]Yes, as far as raw hitting power goes, Wilder is the GOAT. Tyson would knock you out with combinations, Wilder just needed one shot.[/QUOTE]
All his KOs are against bums. That is my point. If he fought better comp, he wouldn't have the KO percentage he does. He isn't a harder hitter than Foreman as an example. Wladimir Klitschko had as good a KO percentage after his first 45, and he fought better comp.