Florida's Covid Cases Have Declined 79% From Peak

[QUOTE=tontoz;14447287]First one with Fauci, where exactly does he say that vaccinated people can't spread Delta? I must have missed it. Surrounding them with vaccinated people will protect them from getting Alpha. In that same answer he also said this.




2nd vid she says that the CDC isn't recommending that vaccinated people wear masks near the end of the video. Obviously that is a problem with the Delta variant since we know vaccinated people can easily spread the virus. The video was from July 15. The CDC pivoted not long after that. I don't know the exact day that their testing found out that the viral load for Delta was so high. The interview i found with Fauci where he talked about this was July 30.



Emphasis on NEW

[url]https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022909501/dr-anthony-fauci-talks-about-alarming-new-data-on-breakthrough-infections[/url]


CNN eh i really dont pay much attention to them. However in the vid Fauci specifically says masks should be mandatory for schools so obviously he doesn't think vaccines alone are the solution.

He also said he didn't really hear DeSantis that well. However we have to keep in mind there are two variants. Transmission is much lower with the Alpha variant among vaccinated people. Not so with Delta. I didnt hear him specifically mention one or the other. His comments would be correct for Alpha, not for Delta.

Obviously the vaccine is effective at protecting from severe outcomes on both.

If they said (after July 30) that the vaccine helps prevent transmission of Delta then that would be clear misinformation. July 30 is the earliest date i can find where they talked about how easily Delta can be transmitted by vaxed people.[/QUOTE]

See man this is what you do. You just totally ignore common sense and implications. Here is his qoute from that first article. "One is to surround the children with people who are vaccinated. Get as many teachers as possible vaccinated; get anybody who is anywhere near a child, in what should be the protected environment of a school" this was in response to the interviewer asking how can we keep children safe when going back to schools. This can only imply that people (teachers in this case) should get vaccinated to protect others(children in this case). That implies that the vaccine stops or significantly reduces infection and the spread of covid. The second video go to 1:23. The cdc director says the same thing as fauci. That you can protect children by surrounding them with as many vaccinated people posible. This makes the same implication. And they mention delta before that so they're clearly talking about delta. All 3 that i gave are after delta hit us but it shouldn't matter because delta came out in December and was spreading through other countries first so i would hope the us was paying attention and studying it way before july 30th. Given there incompetence i wouldn't be shocked if they weren't.

This is what you've done with alot of our arguments. I'll say something. You disagree and ask for evidence. I give it and then you turn around and play dumb and act like whatever the qoute or words are aren't clear. I just gave you 3 instances where the media fauci and the cdc spread misinformation and lied or at the very least were wrong. Somehow you'll just ignore it or act like they didn't even though it's undeniable.

Once again you see what you want to see.

If you want to criticize fauci for not specifying the difference between Alpha and Delta then that.is a valid criticism. His comments are correct for Alpha, not for Delta, as I said near the end of my post.

RIF

As for the 2nd vid I don't think she was aware on July 15 that Delta was spread so easily among vaccinated people. That is why they weren't recommending masks for people who were vaccinated at that time.The earliest mention of this I could find was July 30 when fauci explained the high viral load among vaxed people.

That is when the CDC changed their mask guidance.

I live in Florida (even though I'm getting the **** out soon) and everyone is fine. Life is as normal here in Miami.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14447235]Why don't you post some quotes where i, or anyone else, said what you claim we said? You can't.

Your inability to understand basic English isn't my problem.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497275-Anti-Vaxxers-are-Low-IQ-Prove-me-Wrong/page63[/url]

Here's a link to that gives a convo we had towards the end of another thread. Again you don't come right and say it but based on your words it's pretty clear what your saying. You argued with me for half that page when i kept bringing up how the vaccine isn't effecting infections and the spread. Most logical people are gonna interpret that as you disagreed.

But no like fauci you didn't come right out and say it so you can hide behind that if yoy want. It really dosn't matter. The whole point of the original thread that we were arguing on was that people who haven't got the vaccine are low iq and that's clearly a load of shit. I and others have pointed out lots of legit rational reasons on why alot of people don't need to be vaccinated.

Once again you don't quote me. You do realize that this.forum has a quote button, right?

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It must have been the mask and vaccine mandates

Jk Florida doesn't have those :lol

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14447123][URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html"]Florida's Covid Cases (7-day average) Have Declined 79% From Peak about 6 weeks ago.[/URL]

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Why did cases begin to surge right after 50% of adults in Florida became fully vaccinated on June 7th?

How did Florida bring the cases down 79% from their peak about 6 weeks ago?[/QUOTE]

Another good question. How many cases would there have been without vaccines?

Nobody knows the answer to these questions.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14447223]News flash, the Delta variant is very different from the original alpha. Ever heard of Delta? Bueller?

With the original alpha variant vaccinated people had a far less viral load than unvaccinated people. [B]Once our vax rates went up then the mask rules and social distancing guidelines were relaxed. [/B]

Then the Delta variant hit over the summer. With Delta a vaccinated person has the same viral load as an unvaccinated person. Hence, vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people.

This caught people by surprise. Delta hit just as social distancing guidelines were eased leading to a huge spike in cases. [B]Once people realized what was going on with Delta people became more vigilant with social distancing.[/B] Same thing happened in Isreal.

New information leads to new guidelines. Of course you clowns aren't interested in the hearing the truth. You want to pull up old quotes and play gotcha so you can pretend you have a clue.[/QUOTE]

1) When did the Delta variant arrive in the US? Florida?

2) The governor ended most of his restrictions in September 2020. When exactly were the social distancing & mask guidelines "relaxed" in Florida? Were they not "relaxed" in 2020 or pre-June 2021? Also, when did they close & open schools in 2020? 2021?

3) What evidence do you have that people became more vigilant with social distancing in Florida?

4) How did Florida bring the cases down 79% from their peak about 6 weeks ago?

[QUOTE=fsvr54;14447323]I live in Florida (even though I'm getting the **** out soon) and everyone is fine. Life is as normal here in Miami.[/QUOTE]

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Looks like restaurant visits have been fairly consistent since end of May 2020 & since then peaking in March 2021. Bar visits look about the same.

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Looks like restaurant visits have been fairly consistent since end of May 2020 & since then peaking in March 2021. Bar visits look about the same.[/QUOTE]

The restaurants and bars are PACKED on the nighly here, it's insane. The city seems busier than it's ever been. Every few license plates is a NY one. Never seen so many New Yorkers in my life (other than when I've been in NYC lol).

[QUOTE=n00bie;14447412]Another good question. How many cases would there have been without vaccines?

Nobody knows the answer to these questions.[/QUOTE]

Good question. I think we should swear in and cross examine the supposed Experts and ask these questions.

One thing we know for sure, is that Vermont is experiencing a record high in new cases while simultaneously being the #1 vaccinated state in the US.

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Another thing we saw was Covid cases in India declining 81% from peak with 3.5% of the country fully vaccinated. Note that the Delta variant was first discovered in India in 2020.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14360528]Covid Cases in India Down 81% From Peak

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3.5% of the country is fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14447223]New information leads to new guidelines. Of course [B]you clowns aren't interested in the hearing the truth[/B]. You want to pull up old quotes and play gotcha so you can pretend you have a clue.[/QUOTE]

We're interested in hearing the truth. That's why we ask lots of questions. (That's why the supposed Experts needed to be sworn in and cross examined since the start of this whole charade)

I've asked you plenty of questions on this forum in relation to your narratives, but still waiting for answers. :/

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14431213&viewfull=1#post14431213[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497275-Anti-Vaxxers-are-Low-IQ-Prove-me-Wrong&p=14442719&viewfull=1#post14442719[/url]

Great thread Clever. I want to give this my stamp of approval but will first need the expert testimony of the great Dr. Tontoz to proceed further. I eagerly await his esteemed, non-biased opinion on the matter. Will report back!

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14447481]Good question. I think we should swear in and cross examine the supposed Experts and ask these questions.

One thing we know for sure, is that Vermont is experiencing a record high in new cases while simultaneously being the #1 vaccinated state in the US.

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[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-well-vaccinated-maine-covid-19-still-fills-hospitals-with-the-unvaccinated-11632999601[/url]

[QUOTE]The problem, public-health experts say, is [URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/highly-vaccinated-states-keep-worst-covid-19-outcomes-in-check-as-delta-spreads-wsj-analysis-shows-11628328602?mod=article_inline"]the variant’s high transmissibility[/URL] combined with the relaxation of precautions such as wearing masks. Covid-19 infections and hospitalizations have also flared among mostly unvaccinated people in Vermont and western Massachusetts, highlighting the risk Delta poses even in states with [URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/vermont-set-to-drop-all-covid-19-restrictions-11623677812?mod=article_inline"]the best track records[/URL] for getting shots in arms.[/QUOTE]