The 2011-2014 Heat don't seem stacked anymore

For real though, those Heat teams had major weaknesses in 2011 and 2014. 2012 they were strong because they got better/healthier role players. 2013 they improved the role players even more, but that was offset by DWade's decline in 2013.

Really though, what made the Heat "stacked" was simply Lebron being so good (outside of 2011 finals). Replace Bron with a regular all star and those Heat teams don't even make the finals.

Literally every team KD has been on since 2016 is just as stacked or more stacked than those Heat teams.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14837208]At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez[/QUOTE]

3 months later, the Celtics/Bucks are still indeed stacked.

bron stans are so goofy

If 2011 Heat existed today it would be something like:

Jokic (Bron)
Siakam (Bosh)
Torrey Craig (Joel Anthony)
Justin Holiday (Bibby)
Shai (Wade)

They have never been
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The 3 star system is inherently inefficient since the third star never justifies his max contract with the usage and the team is robbed of useful depth.

You always have to look at the team relative to where the league was. They were stacked.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14868297]You always have to look at the team relative to where the league was. They were stacked.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the “He won with just Gasol!” crowd.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14868297]You always have to look at the team relative to where the league was. They were stacked.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Although a lot of people conveniently forget this idea whenever the argument suits. Happens all the time.

“So and so won with X as the second best player and so and so won with a better second best player. Therefore the first guy is better”.

Context is added when needed. You know this, and frequently practice it.

The Heat had the best title odds at winning the championship in the last 25 years outside the KD Curry warriors at +175. And they lost. (choked) :lol

For reference this year Boston is the title favorite at +450. So despite how dominant the Celtics have been this year, their title odds weren't even in the same league as the Heats.

The league has more parity now. Prime Lebron + prime Wade would be like putting Hakeem and Jordan on the same team in the 90s. It was an unprecedented collusion of NBA talent that doesn't exist today.

It would be like Jokic joining the Celtics or Bucks.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14868300]Tell that to the “He won with just Gasol!” crowd.[/QUOTE]

Well teams had 2 stars back then so the Lakers weren't way more talented than the rest of the league. Their depth wasn't amazing. Relative to the league they were good but not ahead of other contenders the way the Heat were (OKC u could argue was just as good but those guys were in their early 20s with no championship experience) and Lakers didn't play in a joke Conference either.

2011-13 you have to put things in perspective. Spurs were kind of washed. Kobe was past his prime and Lakers had injury problems, Cs were washed, OKC was too young at the time. EC really didn't have anyone that could legitimately beat Miami.

2014 though you have a point, the Heat weren't that stacked compared to the Spurs. 2013 Heat team is mad underrated in an all-time perspective tho.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14868307]Well teams had 2 stars back then so the Lakers weren't way more talented than the rest of the league. Their depth wasn't amazing. Relative to the league they were good but not ahead of other contenders the way the Heat were (OKC u could argue was just as good but those guys were in their early 20s with no championship experience) and Lakers didn't play in a joke Conference either.

2011-13 you have to put things in perspective. [B]Spurs were kind of washed[/B]. Kobe was past his prime and Lakers had injury problems, Cs were washed, OKC was too young at the time. EC really didn't have anyone that could legitimately beat Miami.

2014 though you have a point, the Heat weren't that stacked compared to the Spurs. 2013 Heat team is mad underrated in an all-time perspective tho.[/QUOTE]

60+ wins and best net rating in the league is pretty impressive for a washed team.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14868307]Well teams had 2 stars back then so the Lakers weren't way more talented than the rest of the league. Their depth wasn't amazing. Relative to the league they were good but not ahead of other contenders the way the Heat were (OKC u could argue was just as good but those guys were in their early 20s with no championship experience) and Lakers didn't play in a joke Conference either.[/QUOTE]
Bryant was blessed to have jackson as his coach bt. They've been to the finals together for several occasions. So sometimes, it could be more than just having talented teammates around your team.

In the history of the NBA, there's never been a situation where 3 franchise players from 3 different teams in the same conference consolidate power on 1 team - this totally dilutes a conference and consolidates power on 1 team - if someone was trying to rig the conference, this would be one of the primary methods and people forget that it was the top 3 first options from the East joining the same team.. Now who in the hell could possibly lose the conference after that?.. Even LeChoke can't screw that one up

Squad was stacked!

[QUOTE=3ba11;14868735]In the history of the NBA, there's never been a situation where 3 franchise players from 3 different teams in the same conference consolidate power on 1 team - this totally dilutes a conference and consolidates power on 1 team - if someone was trying to rig the conference, this would be one of the primary methods and people forget that it was the top 3 first options from the East joining the same team.. Now who in the hell could possibly lose the conference after that?.. Even LeChoke can't screw that one up[/QUOTE]

Yep.

What a legacy LeRoid has left on the league....pvssy colluding with no D allowed


Who even watches this shit anymore?....its not even sport

Entertainment for weak betas who worship primadonna weak 'men'