Would you say Jaylen Brown is now worth his contract?

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14914414]No supermax is for at least perennial all-nba lvl guys. Some think it should only be for mvp guys. He wasn’t going make more anywhere else. You haggle like the Jazz did for gobert when he was best guy on a title favorite team, clips did for kawhi, Mavs did for Kyrie and kings did for sabonis. The heat for jimmy and clippers for George are haggling rn. Just a few mil less a year even though he still be overload imo could mean an extra bench guy.[/QUOTE] Did you not notice the metric ton of ****ing up Irving did to make himself a nonmax player? You don't see how George and Leonard's injury history changes his value? Brown is starting his prime. Most of the guys you mention are in their thirties and have major problems. The Celtics with Brown have made the Conference finals almost every year and gotten to the finals once in recent history. He was averaging almost 27 points as the second star. You don't jeopardize that because you think that maybe you could get some bench guy for the cap space that actually would not be created if you got him to take 50 mil per instead of 60. Porzingis and Holiday have both gotten big deals since he signed and Tatum is going to get a contract even bigger than his. Why should Brown settle? He is one of the cornerstones to a perennial championship contender.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914415]The problem is that Tatum is currently on a cheap contract himself, and once he declines his player option and they give him the new max in 2025 they're going to have problems as far as team building goes. Boston was able to have the deepest/most talented team in their Conference for years thanks to their two best players being young and on cheap contracts. Once both of them are making 55-65+ million a year they're not going to be able to maintain that advantage.

Will have to see what they offer Jrue or if they S&T him for younger players after this season and what they can do with Porzingis. I don't think this current version of the Celtics is staying together for long. They need to get younger around the two Jays or trade Brown after next season if this doesn't work out. They're already lacking in depth and Jrue is 34 next season and KP might as well be in his mid-30s too with how often he's hurt.[/QUOTE]
They've already extended Holiday and Porzingis. Any team that has collected a great core is going to have to pay out a lot of money but so long as the Celtics ownership is willing to pay the bill (and they are) its not a problem.

Absolutely not. Jaylen Brown to me is around top 50ish player level. About the same with Brandon Ingram.

But when you have really underpaid studs like Derrick White and Al Horford in your team, having an overpaid player like Brown hurts a lot less.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14914423]Absolutely not. Jaylen Brown to me is around top 50ish player level. About the same with Brandon Ingram.

But when you have really underpaid studs like Derrick White and Al Horford in your team, having an overpaid player like Brown hurts a lot less.[/QUOTE]

Top 50ish?? I don't think there's 25 guys better than Jaylen personally.

[QUOTE=Wally450;14914435]Top 50ish?? I don't think there's 25 guys better than Jaylen personally.[/QUOTE]

Opinions can differ

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914421]They've already extended Holiday and Porzingis. Any team that has collected a great core is going to have to pay out a lot of money but so long as the Celtics ownership is willing to pay the bill (and they are) its not a problem.[/QUOTE]

Yeah so they have little to improve around the edges or to add any significant depth unless they luck out with some of the younger players or unless they trade those older guys. They're pretty much where the Clippers were in 2020 but their 2 stars are more reliable health-wise. Keeping this current team together a few years down the line would mean that they'd have to go into the 2nd apron, and if they do that they're going to be further limited in what they can do to improve the roster.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914446]Yeah so they have little to improve around the edges or to add any significant depth unless they luck out with some of the younger players or unless they trade those older guys. They're pretty much where the Clippers were in 2020 but their 2 stars are more reliable health-wise. Keeping this current team together a few years down the line would mean that they'd have to go into the 2nd apron, and if they do that they're going to be further limited in what they can do to improve the roster.[/QUOTE]They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914450]They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled.[/QUOTE]

Well you've had a championship window for 3 seasons now and will have at least 2 more years to win one after this. Jaylen's contract will be an issue but tbh most teams would have signed off on his deal just for team chemistry reasons. You will need an overhaul with Horford & Holiday aging though and Jaylen's contract will make it a bit harder to build a similar team around Tatum once JT gets that new contract.

I mean... he's beating up on injured crippled opponents. It's hard to count a title with such a joke path. I know the 2015 warriors had a similar circumstance but they won 3 times after to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Bottom line, if the Celtics win the ring this year it won't really count. Nobody is impressed with yall beating up on cans.

If you knocked a healthy heavyweight out we would show respect but this is just weak.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914454]Well you've had a championship window for 3 seasons now and will have at least 2 more years to win one after this. Jaylen's contract will be an issue but tbh most teams would have signed off on his deal just for team chemistry reasons. You will need an overhaul with Horford & Holiday aging though and Jaylen's contract will make it a bit harder to build a similar team around Tatum once JT gets that new contract.[/QUOTE]
They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled. If you have a starting five that lead you to over 60 wind that should be good for two years, maybe even three depending on how Holiday ages, you keep that core intact. Brad Stevens is an excellent executive, he'll keep the supporting cast solid (and with Pritchard signed had a leg up in that regard).

[QUOTE=tpols;14914459]I mean... he's beating up on injured crippled opponents. It's hard to count a title with such a joke path. I know the 2015 warriors had a similar circumstance but they won 3 times after to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Bottom line, if the Celtics win the ring this year it won't really count. Nobody is impressed with yall beating up on cans.

If you knocked a healthy heavyweight out we would show respect but this is just weak.[/QUOTE] It's bad luck and a bit arrogant to talk as if the Celtics already have the championship this year but generally speaking, if a pro sports team wins a championship they have achieved the ultimate goal in their sport, will be remembered and celebrated by the city and state they represent, and could not give a damn about the opinion of some random idiot on the internet.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914389]Last was in the top 15 of jersey sales. Not that that is the reason why he's worth paying all that money, just pointing out that when you say no fan buys his jersey? You're wrong.

The justification for his pay is the same as most any player with that kind of contract: it's the going rate for a star. With the CBA rules and all of the money the league makes in the backs of players his contract will be repeatedly exceeded to the point where it's just a trivia question. His was the first 300 million dollar deal. It will not be the only one. In 4 years evert playoffs team will have one guy with a bigger contract than his and many will have two. People keep freaking out at the numbers and ignore that it's just the going rate.[/QUOTE]

An NBA team is a business like any other business. Each contract should come with a risk and cost analysis. If player X is signed to Y contract should contribute to Z. Z variables are jersey sales, TV appearances, fans in attendance, projected wins, years of high level production, etc.

To simplify it to "that's what stars get paid" would justify Harden getting a $55M+ max last year from Morey, which we know would have been a poisonous contract. It's never that simple and there are a variety of factors.

Good to know Brown is a bit more popular than I would have thought. I was wrong in that regard.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914475]It's bad luck and a bit arrogant to talk as if the Celtics already have the championship this year but generally speaking, if a pro sports team wins a championship they have achieved the ultimate goal in their sport, will be remembered and celebrated by the city and state they represent, and could not give a damn about the opinion of some random idiot on the internet.[/QUOTE]


Us "idiots" made these guys collectively billions of dollars. Without our viewership and money these dudes wouldn't have squat. And that actually makes our opinions matter MORE. We fans are the backbone of the NBA. If everybody tuned out, theyd be nothing.

So of course we idiots matter. We're the only reason the league exists as a profitable enterprise.

And I want to re-iterate... if yall don't beat a healthy Dallas? It doesn't count. It's a joke ring that carries no respect. Nobody will be amazed or bowing their heads in respect like we've had to do for other champions.

[QUOTE=beasted;14914482]An NBA team is a business like any other business. Each contract should come with a risk and cost analysis. If player X is signed to Y contract should contribute to Z. Z variables are jersey sales, TV appearances, fans in attendance, projected wins, years of high level production, etc.

To simplify it to "that's what stars get paid" would justify Harden getting a $55M+ max last year from Morey, which we know would have been a poisonous contract. It's never that simple and there are a variety of factors.

Good to know Brown is a bit more popular than I would have thought. I was wrong in that regard.[/QUOTE]
You think the Celtics don't make money?

[QUOTE=tpols;14914483]Us "idiots" made these guys collectively billions of dollars. Without our viewership and money these dudes wouldn't have squat. And that actually makes our opinions matter MORE. We fans are the backbone of the NBA. If everybody tuned out, theyd be nothing.

So of course we idiots matter. We're the only reason the league exists as a profitable enterprise.

And I want to re-iterate... if yall don't beat a healthy Dallas? It doesn't count. It's a joke ring that carries no respect. Nobody will be amazed or bowing their heads in respect like we've had to do for other champions.[/QUOTE]
The Celtics don't know you or care about your existence. Bow your head or scratch your balls, no one cares. The banner will go up in the Garden, the city will have a parade, and the team will be remembered as champions. No one in the team is concerned with whatever 5 bucks or 50 bucks you contribute to their collective wealth.