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Mcgrady loved shooting jumpers, but wasn't that good at making them. Very talented guy but his midrange game was pretty weak.
When his jumper was on he was ungaurdable because his release point was so high. But most of the time his jumper was pretty average.
Absolute legend.
A lot of people talk about desirable cities to work in, and in OPs video Mcgrady said Toronto was cold and depressing. And he ran back to Florida to escape it.
[QUOTE=Indian guy;14941864]None of his other seasons come anywhere close to 2003 statistically though. He clearly overachieved that year.[/QUOTE]
He was pretty clearly trending upwards from 2001( when he joined Orlando) to 2003. That was his 5th year and he was turning 24. It's more likely that we got a glimpse of his prime that year moreso than it being an overachieving thing. The thing is, two years later the league changed the perimeter rules which is what led to all those banner scoring numbers from the likes of Kobe, Iverson, Arenas, Dirk, Nash elevating to MVP level, etc. I think it's fair to assume a healthy Tmac would have similarly exploded, if anything he may have been up there with Kobe dropping 35ppg in 2005/6.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14941867]Mcgrady loved shooting jumpers, but wasn't that good at making them. Very talented guy but his midrange game was pretty weak.
When his jumper was on he was ungaurdable because his release point was so high. But most of the time his jumper was pretty average.[/QUOTE]
In his prime he played in the toughest defensive era in NBA history ~ '99-'04. His talent was clearly better than a lot of stars today.
Guy was basically a 6'9 SGA or Tatum with far more creativity and fluidity.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14941867]Mcgrady loved shooting jumpers, but wasn't that good at making them. Very talented guy but his midrange game was pretty weak.
When his jumper was on he was ungaurdable because his release point was so high. But most of the time his jumper was pretty average.[/QUOTE]
In his prime he played in the toughest defensive era in NBA history ~ '99-'04. His talent was clearly better than a lot of stars today.
Guy was basically a 6'9 SGA or Tatum with far more creativity and fluidity.
[QUOTE=tpoals;14941876]In his prime he played in the toughest defensive era in NBA history ~ '99-'04. His talent was clearly better than a lot of stars today.
Guy was basically a 6'9 SGA or Tatum with far more creativity and fluidity.[/QUOTE]
Very well put:cheers:
[video=youtube_share;l2Znpf7nl_0]https://youtu.be/l2Znpf7nl_0?si=Xp1GjoMUf_KRbXXs[/video]
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14941875]He was pretty clearly trending upwards from 2001( when he joined Orlando) to 2003.[/quote]
He was healthy ages 21-25 from 2001-2005, but only 1 of those seasons looks different from the rest.
[B]2001[/B] 26.8 ppg .521 TS%
[B]2002 [/B]25.6 ppg .532 TS%
[SIZE=4][B]2003 32.0 ppg .564 TS%[/B][/SIZE]
[B]2004[/B] 28.0 ppg .526 TS%
[B]2005[/B] 25.7 ppg .526 TS%
If he peaked at the mere age of 23 in 2003, then 2004 and 2005 should've at least been in a similar vein as 2003. But he fell way off from 2004 itself, which clearly points towards 2003 being an outlier. If you look at his shooting splits from outside 10 feet in 2003, they are all well above what he shot the rest of his career.
[QUOTE]The thing is, two years later the league changed the perimeter rules which is what led to all those banner scoring numbers from the likes of Kobe, Iverson, Arenas, Dirk, Nash elevating to MVP level, [/QUOTE]
The new rules were passed starting with the 04-05 season and T-Mac was healthy that year. He didn't come anywhere near his 2003 production.
[QUOTE=Indian guy;14941882]He was healthy ages 21-25 from 2001-2005, but only 1 of those seasons looks different from the rest.
[B]2001[/B] 26.8 ppg .521 TS%
[B]2002 [/B]25.6 ppg .532 TS%
[SIZE=4][B]2003 32.0 ppg .564 TS%[/B][/SIZE]
[B]2004[/B] 28.0 ppg .526 TS%
[B]2005[/B] 25.7 ppg .526 TS%
If he peaked at the mere age of 23 in 2003, then 2004 and 2005 should've at least been in a similar vein as 2003. But he fell way off from 2004 itself, which clearly points towards 2003 being an outlier. If you look at his shooting splits from outside 10 feet in 2003, they are all well above what he shot the rest of his career.
The new rules were passed starting with the 04-05 season and T-Mac was healthy that year. He didn't come anywhere near his 2003 production.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty widely known that his 2003 season was his last 'healthy' season ( and by that, I mean the last season where his back didn't dramatically affect his play). His TS% was treading upwards from 2001 up to 2003, in other words he got better from 2001 at age 22 to 2003 at age 24. Nothing odd about that, he got better. :confusedshrug:
From 2004 onwards his back really started affecting his play, if you watched back then. He lost alot of arch on his jumper and it became more of a line drive. He didn't just mysteriously become worse as a player when the NBA changed the rules to specifically cater to freeing up perimeter play.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;14941883]It's pretty widely known that his 2003 season was his last 'healthy' season ( and by that, I mean the last season where his back didn't dramatically affect his play). His TS% was treading upwards from 2001 up to 2003, in other words he got better from 2001 at age 22 to 2003 at age 24. Nothing odd about that, he got better. :confusedshrug:
From 2004 onwards his back really started affecting his play, if you watched back then. He lost alot of arch on his jumper and it became more of a line drive. He didn't just mysteriously become worse as a player when the NBA changed the rules to specifically cater to freeing up perimeter play.[/QUOTE]
He's dimwitted and has a hate boner for TMac, nothing you say will get through
One of the most talented players ever to play the game but has almost nothing to show for it. A combination of bad luck, injuries and unhealthy teammates have undermined his legacy.
It's utterly ridiculous he wasn't on the top 75 list. Think how many players you would take T-Mac before from that list. He was arguably the best player in the league at one point.
The strange thing is, as has been mentioned, he doesnt get anywhere near the love today as someone like Penny Hardaway. Their careers are somewhat similar in terms of talent/health but because of T-Mac's lack of playoff success, he is the forgotten man. I bet it bothers him deep inside. He was even denied a token ring thanks to Ray Allen.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14941884]He's dimwitted and has a hate boner for TMac, nothing you say will get through[/QUOTE]
Funny thing is, even if you remove the 'outlier'( his words) 2003 season, only Kobe was a couple percentage points higher in 2001 and 2002 and he had the benefit of Shaq consuming a massive share of the defense's attention. Vince Carter was 54% in 2000, 55% in 2001, 53% in 2002, etc. I don't even need to go into Iverson's TS% numbers. The time period is universally considered a tough defensive era and none of the main perimeter guys were hitting high efficiency numbers. In 2001, the league average was .518; Tmac's was .521 dropping 27ppg with a complete dearth of talent around him.
[QUOTE=tpols;14941877]In his prime he played in the toughest defensive era in NBA history ~ '99-'04. His talent was clearly better than a lot of stars today.
Guy was basically a 6'9 SGA or Tatum with far more creativity and fluidity.[/QUOTE]
Talent and production are two different things. Yes Mcgrady had big time talent but his production didn't measure up aside from his outlier year in 02-03.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14941867]Mcgrady loved shooting jumpers, but wasn't that good at making them. Very talented guy but his midrange game was pretty weak.
When his jumper was on he was ungaurdable because his release point was so high. But most of the time his jumper was pretty average.[/QUOTE]
From 2001-05 he shot 40% from 10-16 feet and 42% from 16 feet-3 point, which is nearly identical to what the other elite wings like Kobe, Pierce, Allen & Vince were shooting from midrange during that timeframe.