MJ dunks over Hakeem

[QUOTE=3ba11;14944503][SIZE=3]hakeem's THIRD option did this:[/SIZE]


[indent][U]FINALS[/U]

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS[/indent]


So no

And based on PER, WS/48, VORP and BPM, the gap between Hakeem and his 2nd option in 1994 was much smaller than the gap between MJ and his 2nd option in 1993 Playoffs and Finals...

The 94' Rockets had rich man's version of all the Bulls' players... Kenny Smith, Maxwell and Thorpe were Jeff Bezos' version of Paxson, BJ and Horace, while Sam Cassell and Horry had equal or greater ceiling on the offensive end as Pippen.. They had a better roster top to bottom, which is why Hakeem didn't have to produce like MJ to win.[/QUOTE]

Dude Hakeem average 15 more PPG than his second option in 1994 while also leading the team in rebounds, blocks, steals and assists for the entire playoffs.

Jordan out produced his #2 guy by the same 15PPG during championship runs but he did not have to carry the burden of also being the best in every other category like 1994 Hakeem.

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Robinson walking right around Hakeem like he isn't even there lol.. .:oldlol:



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[QUOTE=Carbine;14944523]Dude Hakeem average 15 more PPG than his second option in 1994 while also leading the team in rebounds, blocks, steals and assists for the entire playoffs.

Jordan out produced his #2 guy by the same 15PPG during championship runs but he did not have to carry the burden of also being the best in every other category like 1994 Hakeem.[/QUOTE]


Hakeem needed teammates get him the ball, space the floor, and hit big shots, while MJ ran the whole game on offense, so there's no comparison.. MJ was the goat offensive player in 1993, while still being #2 for DPOY (Pippen didn't rank at all that year), and we know that Jordan's defense carries better over eras than Hakeem.

There's a difference between goat scoring and everything below - aka Hakeem never had to average 40 ppg or 38% of his team's points (goat scoring), or lead the league in usage while winning (unprecedented) ... But lets allow the stats to do the talking - according to PER, WS/48, VORP, and BPM, there was a much bigger gap between Jordan and his 2nd option than Hakeem and his 2nd option.

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[SIZE=4]hakeem's THIRD option did this:[/SIZE]


[indent][U]FINALS[/U]

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS[/indent]


So no

And based on PER, WS/48, VORP and BPM, the gap between Hakeem and his 2nd option in 1994 was much smaller than the gap between MJ and his 2nd option in 1993 Playoffs and Finals...

The 94' Rockets had rich man's version of all the Bulls' players... Kenny Smith, Maxwell and Thorpe were Jeff Bezos' version of Paxson, BJ and Horace, while Sam Cassell and Horry had equal or greater ceiling on the offensive end as Pippen.. They had a better roster top to bottom, which is why Hakeem didn't have to produce like MJ to win.


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[QUOTE=3ba11;14944526]..
Robinson walking right around Hakeem like he isn't even there lol.. .:oldlol:



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ooooh... hakeem looks super quick and light on his feet... smh... :kobe:... hakeem was a CLUNKY mf

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[QUOTE=3ba11;14944503][SIZE=3]hakeem's THIRD option did this:[/SIZE]


[indent][U]FINALS[/U]

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS[/indent]


So no

And based on PER, WS/48, VORP and BPM, the gap between Hakeem and his 2nd option in 1994 was much smaller than the gap between MJ and his 2nd option in 1993 Playoffs and Finals...

The 94' Rockets had rich man's version of all the Bulls' players... Kenny Smith, Maxwell and Thorpe were Jeff Bezos' version of Paxson, BJ and Horace, while Sam Cassell and Horry had equal or greater ceiling on the offensive end as Pippen.. They had a better roster top to bottom, which is why Hakeem didn't have to produce like MJ to win.[/QUOTE]

Superstar Wade's 2014 Finals gamescore 7.9
Superstar Bosh had a 10.6 gamescore

Both worse than every Pip Finals...:lol

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14944583]Superstar Wade's 2014 Finals gamescore 7.9
Superstar Bosh had a 10.6 gamescore

Both worse than every Pip Finals...:lol[/QUOTE]

Ball domination leads to a suppression of teammate statistics.

Wade won the Finals by himself pretty much before he took the court with Lebron. Scottie never could do that.

Bosh was putting up a hyper efficient 24 ppg….Scottie could never.

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[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14944583]Superstar Wade's 2014 Finals gamescore 7.9
Superstar Bosh had a 10.6 gamescore

Both worse than every Pip Finals...:lol[/QUOTE]


History shows that everyone eventually turns to mush alongside Lebron - let's start with Mo Williams, who was reduced from 09' to 10' and was becoming less effective alongside Lebron as time progressed... Kuzma also began as a budding star (above), but he was a 12 ppg bum by the time he escaped lebron - his career would've been destroyed if he never escaped bron-ball... And then look at Wade - he had a resurgence after Lebron left in 2016 by nearly carrying the Heat to the ECF... Of course Lebron cratered Larry Hughes, Love, and Jamison IMMEDIATELY - there was no gradual decline like the others.. Love of course was destroyed and would've been much better off collecting All-NBA awards in Minnesota where he was a HOF lock - literally 100% on bballref in 2014, but now he's like 50% or something the last time I checked... The list goes on and on... What happened to IT?.. Where is Clarkson?... Ingram is another one that was lucky to escape... The list goes on and on... Westbrook saw a resurgence of respect on the Clippers and I believe made the playoffs with them just like he did every other team in his career, EXCEPT alongside bron-ball.. the list goes on and on.. Lebron is a teammate-craterer.... his game destroys teammates and he sacrifices teammates to employ "bron-ball", aka goat stat-padder

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944584]Ball domination leads to a suppression of teammate statistics.

Wade won the Finals by himself pretty much before he took the court with Lebron. Scottie never could do that.

Bosh was putting up a hyper efficient 24 ppg….Scottie could never.[/QUOTE]
You don't actually think Bosh was better than Pippen, do you.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14944492]Actual footage of Jordan attempting a game winner over Hakeem


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Just like that, this thread is over. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14944584]Ball domination leads to a suppression of teammate statistics.

Wade won the Finals by himself pretty much before he took the court with Lebron. Scottie never could do that.

Bosh was putting up a hyper efficient 24 ppg….Scottie could never.[/QUOTE]
Wade basically won by himself??..... extremely dumb

Scottie won more playoff games in 1 season as first option than Bosh did in his first 7 seasons combined.

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History shows that everyone eventually turns to mush alongside Lebron - let's start with Mo Williams, who was reduced from 09' to 10' and was becoming less effective alongside Lebron as time progressed... Kuzma also began as a budding star (above), but he was a 12 ppg bum by the time he escaped lebron - his career would've been destroyed if he never escaped bron-ball... And then look at Wade - he had a resurgence after Lebron left in 2016 by nearly carrying the Heat to the ECF... Of course Lebron cratered Larry Hughes, Love, and Jamison IMMEDIATELY - there was no gradual decline like the others.. Love of course was destroyed and would've been much better off collecting All-NBA awards in Minnesota where he was a HOF lock - literally 100% on bballref in 2014, but now he's like 50% or something the last time I checked... The list goes on and on... What happened to IT?.. Where is Clarkson?... Ingram is another one that was lucky to escape... The list goes on and on... Westbrook saw a resurgence of respect on the Clippers and I believe made the playoffs with them just like he did every other team in his career, EXCEPT alongside bron-ball.. the list goes on and on.. Lebron is a teammate-craterer.... his game destroys teammates and he sacrifices teammates to employ "bron-ball", aka goat stat-padder[/QUOTE]

You've referred to 2014 Heat a superteam many times. Now they weren't all of a sudden cause I handed your ass to ya?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14944589]You don't actually think Bosh was better than Pippen, do you.[/QUOTE]

You’re in a thread where someone is using game scores from a 4 game sample for one guy and VORP from the two stars to make the argument that one supporting cast is superior to another.

I think it’s safe to say that you can take everything said here with a grain of salt..