Michael Jordan never won a playoffs series without Scottie Pippen

05' HUGHES.................. 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D



[QUOTE=Axe;14970844]Remember, no playoff series won w/o tree trunk pippen.[/QUOTE]


Remember, no playoffs without someone better than 1990 Pippen, or the East all-star center

Larry bird swept him in the playoffs as well.

[QUOTE=Axe;14970852]Larry bird swept him in the playoffs as well.[/QUOTE]


Jordan's lottery cast played the 86' Celtics closer than the champion super-team played the 14' Spurs.

So Jordan led a lottery cast to superior performance than Lebron had with Wade/Bosh/Allen

He went 1-3 against the bad boy pistons too.

Lol. The perfect topic to have 3ball frothing at the mouth all evening over.

But have Lebron ever won a playoff series with Scottie Pippen?

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14971036]Lol. The perfect topic to have 3ball frothing at the mouth all evening over.[/QUOTE]
He is literally incapable of not responding, whatever condition he has, he had to answer every single one of Axe's clear bait posts :lol

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Thread Cliffs

Jordan's first playoff teams were 1st year low seeds with zero development... Otoh, Lebron got 3 seasons to make the playoffs, so his first playoff teams were veteran high seeds that included the East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball - they also had higher-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls... MJ would 3-peat quite easily with all that help, so Lebron's 1 Finals appearance is hardly "floor-raising" by comparison.

Furthermore, the 07' Spurs showed that the East was so weak that a 22 on 35% player won it (and 6 TO's).. The conference was so weak that Lebron, Iverson, Kidd and Dwight won it with 1-star teams despite averaging 25 ppg or less for the Eastern Playoffs - MJ never averaged less than 27 in any series.. By Lebron's 5th season, he had "floor-raised" the Cavs to 45 wins, but then he received another all-star spacer to open up things for his stiff arm in 2009... By 2010, Lebron had a 7th-year organic juggernaut and league favorite that included better defensive rankings than the 1st three-peat Bulls and more scoring options.. It's pretty nice to have a 20k scorer at 3rd option (Jamison) that was a better scorer than Pippen and outplayed Lebron heads-up in the 07' 1st Round.

Unfortunately for Lebron, his skillset of high-scoring, point guard-style play, aka "ball-domination" entails a bunch of unassisted buckets that reduces teammates' assists while increasing their assisted rate or spot up role... By turning everyone into spot-up shooter, elite roster construction is impossible for high-scoring ball-dominators, so they cannot be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasties and dominant champions).

Since ball-dominators cannot produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can (bigs & jumpshooters), which puts Lebron and all ball-dominators outside of the top 10 all-time.. Specifically, anyone can select who they feel are the best jumpshooters and bigs in history and put them above all ball-dominators like Lebron.. So a hypothetical top 10 could be: MJ, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry, Jokic, Magic, Lebron, Oscar - that's a top 13 with ball-dominators bringing up the rear.

In addition to their inability to be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions), high-scoring ball-dominators make it harder to win titles in general by virtue of the aforementioned lowering of teammate assists and having low assist teams, versus the high-assist teams and ball movement associated with the average title team.. Ultimately, the suboptimal style of ball-dominators underachieves rosters the most, such as Lebron going 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-7 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt, while the GOAT standard is to [i]never[/i] lose in any of these scenarios.