Another prominent democrat cozying up with Orange Face, this time Big Gretch

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14999666]Okay, I get it. There's no ego with Trump, and certainly no petty or vindictive actions have been taken. He's notoriously graceful to those who speak out against him and his policies.

Since you've already flipped the conversation to something that it wasn't initially about at all and it's a slow day at work, I'll bite. The Cuomo thing..what exactly did he do to Trump? Isn't he the one that publicly [I]requested[/I] the ship? And then didn't he publicly give praise to Trump when the request was granted? The ship also wasn't equipped to treat Covid patients...

Am I missing part of the story? I remembered it happened but it was fuzzy, and after doing a little research it doesn't appear that there was any sort of animosity exchanged.[/QUOTE]

Whoa whoa, I thought you said both sides were the same. Now you can't find examples? Surely there must be several.

And Cuomo wasn't the one who requested the ship. Are you crazy? You think Cuomo or the democrats had any interest in cooperating with Trump or do anything that might make it look like he's trying to help? :oldlol:

There was a shortage of hospital beds so Trump sent the ship.

Here is Rachel Maddow a.k.a. the #1 left wing commentator in America mocking the hospital ship and claiming it would never arrive... even though the USS Comfort had actually arrived in NYC that morning! The definition of fake news!

[url]https://x.com/ScottPresler/status/1244673660746698756[/url]

Here you have Trump trying to do something genuinely positive and helpful, and the democrats just outright refusing to acknowledge it. Cuomo said no I would rather flood the nursing homes with the Covid patients instead.

Pure EVIL.

Please, find me a similar example from Orange Face.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14999675]Whoa whoa, I thought you said both sides were the same. Now you can't find examples? Surely there must be several.

And Cuomo wasn't the one who requested the ship. Are you crazy? You think Cuomo or the democrats had any interest in cooperating with Trump or do anything that might make it look like he's trying to help? :oldlol:

There was a shortage of hospital beds so Trump sent the ship.

Here is Rachel Maddow a.k.a. the #1 left wing commentator in America mocking the hospital ship and claiming it would never arrive... even though the USS Comfort had actually arrived in NYC that morning! The definition of fake news!

[url]https://x.com/ScottPresler/status/1244673660746698756[/url]

Here you have Trump trying to do something genuinely positive and helpful, and the democrats just outright refusing to acknowledge it. Cuomo said no I would rather flood the nursing homes with the Covid patients instead.

Pure EVIL.

Please, find me a similar example from Orange Face.[/QUOTE]

Well we can start with the firing of "disloyal" cabinent members, or those who have spoken against them. But to determine the overall levels we'll go here, don't you think it's prudent that we get things straight on what exactly we're comparing? Because yes, denying Covid patients from entering a ship, and then refusing the ship altogether to make Trump look bad is terrible and probably not going to be comparable. But is that really what happened?

Here is a link to the criticism of the Comfort's operation. Not a critique of Trump in any way, in case you were worried about that. Namely highlighting the refusal of the ship's crew to bring Covid patients onboard:
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html[/URL]

Going a little further into that. Cuomo and Trump working together to try to get that reversed(Fox News mind you):
[URL="https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-patients-delivered-comfort-ship-new-york-mistake"]https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-patients-delivered-comfort-ship-new-york-mistake[/URL]

[I][B]New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that President Trump agreed to dispatch a Navy hospital ship to the New York City Harbor to “add capacity” for those who need to be admitted due to complications of coronavirus.

About a dozen patients from the Javits Center in midtown Manhattan were transferred to the hospital ship Comfort one day after President Trump approved New York Gov. Cuomo’s request to have Covid-19 patients treated at the Javits Center.[/B][/I]

Here's a link to Cuomo's praise of Trump on The Howard Stern Show:
[URL="https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/he-has-delivered-for-new-york-cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response/2371465/"]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/he-has-delivered-for-new-york-cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response/2371465/[/URL]

Another Fox source on the ship being redeployed elsewhere:
[URL="https://www.fox29.com/news/new-york-no-longer-needs-usns-comfort-hospital-ship"]https://www.fox29.com/news/new-york-no-longer-needs-usns-comfort-hospital-ship[/URL]

[I][B]"It did give us comfort, but we don't need it anymore," Cuomo said. "So if they need to deploy that somewhere else, they should take it."

Trump said at his Tuesday briefing that he asked Cuomo if "we could bring the Comfort back to its base in Virginia so that we could have it in other locations." Trump said they would bring the ship back soon.[/B][/I]

Doesn't appear to be anything nefarious to me.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14999680]Well we can start with the firing of "disloyal" cabinent members, or those who have spoken against them. But to determine the overall levels we'll go here, don't you think it's prudent that we get things straight on what exactly we're comparing? Because yes, denying Covid patients from entering a ship, and then refusing the ship altogether to make Trump look bad is terrible and probably not going to be comparable. But is that really what happened?

Here is a link to the criticism of the Comfort's operation. Not a critique of Trump in any way, in case you were worried about that. Namely highlighting the refusal of the ship's crew to bring Covid patients onboard:
[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html[/URL]

Going a little further into that. Cuomo and Trump working together to try to get that reversed(Fox News mind you):
[URL="https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-patients-delivered-comfort-ship-new-york-mistake"]https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-patients-delivered-comfort-ship-new-york-mistake[/URL]

[I][B]New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that President Trump agreed to dispatch a Navy hospital ship to the New York City Harbor to “add capacity” for those who need to be admitted due to complications of coronavirus.

About a dozen patients from the Javits Center in midtown Manhattan were transferred to the hospital ship Comfort one day after President Trump approved New York Gov. Cuomo’s request to have Covid-19 patients treated at the Javits Center.[/B][/I]

Here's a link to Cuomo's praise of Trump on The Howard Stern Show:
[URL="https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/he-has-delivered-for-new-york-cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response/2371465/"]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/he-has-delivered-for-new-york-cuomo-praises-trumps-coronavirus-response/2371465/[/URL]

Another Fox source on the ship being redeployed elsewhere:
[URL="https://www.fox29.com/news/new-york-no-longer-needs-usns-comfort-hospital-ship"]https://www.fox29.com/news/new-york-no-longer-needs-usns-comfort-hospital-ship[/URL]

[I][B]"It did give us comfort, but we don't need it anymore," Cuomo said. "So if they need to deploy that somewhere else, they should take it."

Trump said at his Tuesday briefing that he asked Cuomo if "we could bring the Comfort back to its base in Virginia so that we could have it in other locations." Trump said they would bring the ship back soon.[/B][/I]

Doesn't appear to be anything nefarious to me.[/QUOTE]
Why are you arguing with someone who’s psychotic? He’s just going to twist your words again.

@ShawkFactory

On [B]3/25/20[/B], the NYS Department of Health, under Cuomo's administration, issued a directive forcing nursing homes to admit patients discharged from hospitals even if they tested positive for covid. The policy aimed to alleviate the burden on hospitals overwhelmed during the early stages of the pandemic by freeing up beds for more critical patients.

The USS Comfort arrived in NYC on[B] 3/30/20[/B] with over 1,000 hospital beds.

It departed on [B]4/30/20[/B] exactly one month from it's arrival. The decision to withdraw the ship was made after Cuomo informed President Trump that the vessel was no longer needed. During that time only 182 hospital patients were admitted with roughly 70% being Covid positive.

The nursing home directive was rescinded on [B]5/10/2020[/B] after widespread criticism and reports linking the policy to increased fatalities among nursing home residents. By that time over 6,000 nursing home residents in New York had died from covid.


[B]So here is the timeline of events: [/B]

- Cuomo said "Hey we're going to start housing covid patients in nursing homes"... which was met with some public dismay.

- Trump said "Hey here's a hospital ship where you can house Covid patients"

- Cuomo said "Uh huh sure..." giving him only the bare minimum of cooperation as to not look suspicious and continued to send covid patients to nursing homes.

- Cuomo then declared "Hey we really don't need the ship right now we're doing just fine"... all while continuing to flood the nursing homes with covid patients instead of sending them to the ship. This indirectly kills thousands of seniors.


And while this was all happening, team blue couldn't get enough of Cuomo. They were totally in love. He was the so called tough and masculine response to Evil Orange Face. They were even talking about nominating him for President.

You're certainly taking a lot of liberties there :lol

[QUOTE]Trump said "Hey here's a hospital ship where you can house Covid patients"[/QUOTE]

No. It initially was NOT to house Covid patients. As cited above, Cuomo requested from Trump a little over a week after arrival that both the Comfort and the onshore Javits Center be allowed to house them.

Either way, Cuomo mishandling the situation, particularly with the nursing home bit, doesn't have anything to do with him being petty with Trump. It seems that a big issue here was the miscalculation on the number of Covid vs non-Covid patients there truly were. Again, the Comfort was originally intended to offload non-covid patients, but before the new directive was given it appears that there weren't many to send. It also appears that sending the ship back was agreed upon by the two of them.

There's no evidence that I've found from any source at the time that says the two weren't working together or that Cuomo was brushing anything aside. In fact, it appears to be the opposite. By the time Covid patients were allowed to be treated onboard, it appears that the onshore Javits Center was fully operational and able to take Covid patients as well, lessening the need for the Comfort.

You probably got a little too caught up in online discourse and biased reporting.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14999697]You're certainly taking a lot of liberties there :lol



No. It initially was NOT to house Covid patients. As cited above, Cuomo requested from Trump a little over a week after arrival that both the Comfort and the onshore Javits Center be allowed to house them.

Either way, Cuomo mishandling the situation, particularly with the nursing home bit, doesn't have anything to do with him being petty with Trump. It seems that a big issue here was the miscalculation on the number of Covid vs non-Covid patients there truly were. Again, the Comfort was originally intended to offload non-covid patients, but before the new directive was given it appears that there weren't many to send. It also appears that sending the ship back was agreed upon by the two of them.

There's no evidence that I've found from any source at the time that says the two weren't working together or that Cuomo was brushing anything aside. In fact, it appears to be the opposite. By the time Covid patients were allowed to be treated onboard, it appears that the onshore Javits Center was fully operational and able to take Covid patients as well, lessening the need for the Comfort.

You probably got a little too caught up in online discourse and biased reporting.[/QUOTE]

Lmao.

At one point 70% of the patients onboard were covid patients, which means Cuomo could have kept sending them there.

Give me one good reason why a single covid patient should have been housed in a nursing home when the federal government had provided a fully manned hospital ship. Also, while you're at it, explain why Rachel Maddow would mock the very idea of it and lie about it not arriving.

And don't tell me that Cuomo had good intentions when it came to cooperating with Trump:

[url]https://x.com/Reuters/status/1309229871357472769[/url]

^ Here is Governor Cuomo telling the american people NOT to trust the safety of the covid vaccine and NOT to trust the FDA because Evil Orange Face just wanted to rush the unsafe vaccine to market.

Sorry, not going to let you rewrite history.

Jesus Christ I forgot how irritating arguing with you is.

[QUOTE]Lmao.[/QUOTE]
What's funny? I'm providing evidence for my claims. You aren't. Seems to be more of a feelings thing for you.

[QUOTE]At one point 70% of the patients onboard were covid patients, which means Cuomo could have kept sending them there.[/QUOTE]
This has been addressed, but I'll repeat (for the last time). By the time the Comfort was able to house Covid patients, so too was the Javits Center, which was able to handle more of the excess. It was then decided by BOTH Cuomo and Trump that the ship could best be used elsewhere.

I've also already addressed the miscalculation on Cuomo's part to direct nursing homes to allow Covid patients and then to understate the damage done after the fact. The directive he gave also simply stated that candidates couldn't be turned away from nursing homes based solely on a confirmed or suspected Covid diagnosis. Still a misstep, but he wasn't "sending" people into the nursing homes. This is political hyperbole on your part.

And YOU are the one making the leap that this miscalculation must have been to spite Trump. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that.

[QUOTE]Also, while you're at it, explain why Rachel Maddow would mock the very idea of it and lie about it not arriving.[/QUOTE]

What?! Bro I don't give a FVCK what Rachel Maddow has to say (before watching that I didn't even know what she looked like). And nor should you. It has absolutely no relevance as to how Cuomo and Trump actually handled this situation, and it's things like this that make me believe that you are far too inundated with bad-faith rhetoric to be able to have an actual discussion.

[QUOTE]And don't tell me that Cuomo had good intentions when it came to cooperating with Trump[/QUOTE]

Been addressed..

[QUOTE]^ Here is Governor Cuomo telling the american people NOT to trust the safety of the covid vaccine and NOT to trust the FDA because Evil Orange Face just wanted to rush the unsafe vaccine to market.[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant.

[QUOTE]Sorry, not going to let you rewrite history.[/QUOTE]

I'm not rewriting anything. I'm providing you the facts of the situation that you brought up.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14999683]Why are you arguing with someone who’s psychotic? He’s just going to twist your words again.[/QUOTE]

RRR3 trying to discourage all discourse because he’s not able to participate due to his IQ limitations.

RRR3 trying to drag everyone down to his level again. What’s new? :oldlol:

Shawk tries to answer you idiots seriously and he gets the same bullshit spewed regardless. You were just attacking him in the other thread ffs. There is no engaging honestly with people who think the poor suffering is funny and good. Every time you try to explain yourself to bawler, you start getting shrieked at about communism, trans people and "woke".

[QUOTE=RRR3;14999783]Shawk tries to answer you idiots seriously and he gets the same bullshit spewed regardless. You were just attacking him in the other thread ffs. There is no engaging honestly with people who think the poor suffering is funny and good. Every time you try to explain yourself to bawler, you start getting shrieked at about communism, trans people and "woke".[/QUOTE]

It’s a “fool me once, shame on you” kinda deal. Eventually, it’s your own fault for engaging so this is on Shawk.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14999788]It’s a “fool me once, shame on you” kinda deal. Eventually, it’s your own fault for engaging so this is on Shawk.[/QUOTE]

It’d been a while so I kinda forgot :lol

Shoo, shoo.

Get the f.uck out of here.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14999790]It’d been a while so I kinda forgot :lol[/QUOTE]
I thought about engaging seriously but after I see him randomly accuse TheMan (an anti LGBTQ poster) of being part of the "trans cult" or something I was just....unsure what I'd even do confronted with this level of psychosis. I genuinely had more sane interactions with Chewing on the rare occasions I tried to get him to see my political views without trolling. And Chewing was a guy who loved to say stuff like "kill liberals" :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14999751]Jesus Christ I forgot how irritating arguing with you is.

What's funny? I'm providing evidence for my claims. You aren't. Seems to be more of a feelings thing for you.

This has been addressed, but I'll repeat (for the last time). By the time the Comfort was able to house Covid patients, so too was the Javits Center, which was able to handle more of the excess. It was then decided by BOTH Cuomo and Trump that the ship could best be used elsewhere.

I've also already addressed the miscalculation on Cuomo's part to direct nursing homes to allow Covid patients and then to understate the damage done after the fact. The directive he gave also simply stated that candidates couldn't be turned away from nursing homes based solely on a confirmed or suspected Covid diagnosis. Still a misstep, but he wasn't "sending" people into the nursing homes. This is political hyperbole on your part.

And YOU are the one making the leap that this miscalculation must have been to spite Trump. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that.

What?! Bro I don't give a FVCK what Rachel Maddow has to say (before watching that I didn't even know what she looked like). And nor should you. It has absolutely no relevance as to how Cuomo and Trump actually handled this situation, and it's things like this that make me believe that you are far too inundated with bad-faith rhetoric to be able to have an actual discussion.

Been addressed..

Irrelevant.

I'm not rewriting anything. I'm providing you the facts of the situation that you brought up.[/QUOTE]

Yes you are rewriting. Not only are you rewriting, you're feigning ignorance.

First of all the fact that you don't know who Rachel Maddow is pretty alarming. That would be like someone who claims to be knowledgeable about sports not knowing who Stephen A. Smith is. Anyone that follows the news for better or worse knows who Rachel Maddow is. So that's a huge red flag.

Second, you would have to be dumb not to know that MSNBC was a mouthpiece for the democratic party in the same way that Fox News is for the republican party. Whatever MSNBC is saying, that is what the democrats are communicating. Rachel Maddow at that point in time was a top spokesman for the democratic party.

And then for you to say it's totally irrelevant that Cuomo villainized Trump when it came to the vaccine. Lol, how? It proves that Cuomo is a diabolical schemer who wants to thwart Trump's agenda at all costs. But now you're saying there's a 100% chance it played no role and how he utilized the hospital ship?

Like... were you paying attention as this stuff was all going down???

[QUOTE=Baller234;15000399]Yes you are rewriting. Not only are you rewriting, you're feigning ignorance.

[B]First of all the fact that you don't know who Rachel Maddow is pretty alarming.[/B] That would be like someone who claims to be knowledgeable about sports not knowing who Stephen A. Smith is. Anyone that follows the news for better or worse knows who Rachel Maddow is. So that's a huge red flag.

Second, you would have to be dumb not to know that MSNBC was a mouthpiece for the democratic party in the same way that Fox News is for the republican party. Whatever MSNBC is saying, that is what the democrats are communicating. Rachel Maddow at that point in time was a top spokesman for the democratic party.

And then for you to say it's totally irrelevant that Cuomo villainized Trump when it came to the vaccine. Lol, how? It proves that Cuomo is a diabolical schemer who wants to thwart Trump's agenda at all costs. But now you're saying there's a 100% chance it played no role and how he utilized the hospital ship?

Like... were you paying attention as this stuff was all going down???[/QUOTE]

Yea I didn't say that, my guy. I said I didn't know what she looked like. As in I didn't/don't watch MSNBC. At all.

It's funny how you don't realize that everything you're saying is literally proving my point that you appear get all of your information from Fox News and MSNBC. And that you take that information literally. Talkin' about how a Stephen A. Smith-type talking head is some true voice. Come on now :lol