Rip, Pierce, Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, Kawhi, Curry, KD, Booker, Jokic, Ant beat Lebron

[QUOTE=John8204;14999715]The difference of course is unlike MJ with Bird Lebron also beat those guys.

Michael Jordan never won a game against Larry Bird when it counted[/QUOTE]

Lebron never got past Dwight, Dirk, Booker, and now Edwards.

[QUOTE=theman93;14999742]Lebron never got past Dwight, Dirk, Booker, and now Edwards.[/QUOTE]


Lebron never beat Jokic either as the leading scorer... And Wade led the Heat in scoring and assists when Lebron finally got past his bully (Celtics) in the 2011 2nd Round... So that's like Bird coming along and carrying the Bulls when they finally beat the Pistons in 91'.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14999290]Anyone with a career assisted rate below 40% is a primary ballhandler/point guard, and Kobe doesn't meet this primary criteria for being classified as a primary ballhandler.. Ultimately, by virtue of mastering the triangle, Kobe didn't have large volumes of unassisted buckets/solo missions like high-scoring primary ballhandlers, aka "ball-dominators".. He wasn't a high-screen role spammer like today's simpleton skillsets.[/QUOTE]

No comments on Kobe's sub 40% assisted scoring rate?

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14999754]No comments on Kobe's sub 40% assisted scoring rate?[/QUOTE]


Kobe's career assisted rate is 42%

Lebron's is 38%.

for their CAREERS, so it's actually a big and meaningful gap.. Someone with a career assisted rate of above 40% invariably got close to 50% during their prime, while someone that is under 40% probably peaked around 40%, which only primary ballhandlers do.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14999756]Kobe's career assisted rate is 42%

Lebron's is 38%.

for their CAREERS, so it's actually a big and meaningful gap.. Someone with a career assisted rate of above 40% invariably got close to 50% during their prime, while someone that is under 40% probably peaked around 40%, which only primary ballhandlers do.[/QUOTE]

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You eat shit so many times on this site, total glutton for punishment. Many of Kobe's finals runs had less than 40% assisted rate which ruins your "narrative". Now we can't trust any of these players you've listed.

You'll simply need to link your data points for all of these players otherwise your posts are meaningless.

Where can you see a players assisted rate?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14999762]Where can you see a players assisted rate?[/QUOTE]

NBA.com stats. Go to "see all player stats", then Filter under "general" and then "scoring".

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14999762]Where can you see a players assisted rate?[/QUOTE]

You can check with various filters here on a season and playoff basis. Not sure where career numbers are.

[url]https://www.nba.com/stats/players/scoring?CF=MIN*G*25&dir=A&sort=PCT_AST_FGM[/url]

Bro Kobe's assisted scoring rate in the playoffs in routinely low :lol

Like every year. OP is always full of shit.

[QUOTE=theman93;14999742]Lebron never got past Dwight, Dirk, Booker, and now Edwards.[/QUOTE]

But he wasn't [B][I]swept by them[/I][/B]..also combined they had 4 series against him and 1 ring.

You know Lebron has beaten...Durant, Curry, Kwahi, Pierce, Garnett, Allen, etc.

We all agree Larry Bird was the greatest player Jordan faced during his tenure in the league...and he never won a playoff game against him.

And you can pile on Lebron for all the dumb minor stats you want it doesn't change the fact that Jordan could not beat Larry Bird in one game during the playoffs.

Till the day you die you will know Bird had Jordan's number.

[QUOTE=John8204;14999798]But he wasn't [B][I]swept by them[/I][/B]..also combined they had 4 series against him and 1 ring.

You know Lebron has beaten...Durant, Curry, Kwahi, Pierce, Garnett, Allen, etc.

We all agree Larry Bird was the greatest player Jordan faced during his tenure in the league...and he never won a playoff game against him.

And you can pile on Lebron for all the dumb minor stats you want it doesn't change the fact that Jordan could not beat Larry Bird in one game during the playoffs.

Till the day you die you will know Bird had Jordan's number.[/QUOTE]

Jordan played the dynasty Celtics in like his first two seasons in the league which is basically gravy time for any player and he played on a horribad Bulls team and one of those two years basically missed the entire regular season due to injury. Unless you're air dropped onto a pre-built stacked team like Magic was to start his career the first 2-3 years of even top end players is basically about taking your lumps in the playoffs.

The only thing the general public remembers about those series' is Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics and Bird calling him (Jordan) God. It doesn't hurt Jordan's legacy in any way.

It's not Jordan's fault that Bird's back was cooked by the time the Bulls actually put a half way decent team around him with a decent no.2 option (circa 90-91). The Pistons beat the Celtics (and Lakers) and the Bulls destroyed the Pistons in 1991.

If the 86 Celtics had to play the 91 Bulls, they would have a good deal of trouble as the 91 Bulls were better than the Pistons teams that gave the Celtics fits. Sure as f**k would not be a sweep.

Nobody is going to care or remember what Wemby did in his first 2-3 years if he goes on to win 6 titles in a 8 year span at some point.

[QUOTE=Soundwave;14999810]

The only thing the general public remembers about those series' is Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics and Bird calling him (Jordan) God. It doesn't hurt Jordan's legacy in any way.
[/QUOTE]

They remember who won and who lost...

You know what else we remember about Jordan...coming back with the number 1 draft pick, a 30PPG scorer in an easy East and missing the playoffs.

[QUOTE=Soundwave;14999810]

The only thing the general public remembers about those series' is Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics and Bird calling him (Jordan) God. It doesn't hurt Jordan's legacy in any way.
[/QUOTE]

They remember who won and who lost...

You know what else we remember about Jordan...coming back with the number 1 draft pick, a 30PPG scorer in an easy East and missing the playoffs.

[QUOTE=John8204;14999821]They remember who won and who lost...

You know what else we remember about Jordan...coming back with the number 1 draft pick, a 30PPG scorer in an easy East and missing the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

No one cares about that, the most notable thing about those series is Jordan's record breaking 63 point performance and Bird basically calling him the best player in the league already.

First 2-3 seasons in the league is just about getting individual accolades really, especially if you are on a shit team which is what most high draft picks end up on.

That's the whole freaking point, that's how it's supposed to work, you're supposed to suck for a couple of years at least, take your lumps, and then grow eventually into a championship caliber squad.

ISH is a bubble out of touch with reality that thinks stupid shit like anyone cares those terrible early Bulls teams where Jordan hadn't even played 2 full seasons (missed basically his whole 2nd year in the league due to injury) were somehow supposed to be competitive with one of the best NBA teams of all-time (the mid-80s Celtics).

Everyone and their grandma knows when the Bulls matured a bit and they put an actual decent team around him (as in one actual decent 2nd option and an OK 3rd option in Horace Grant) with their incompetent management and ownership, the Bulls weren't a push over for anyone.

All them beat Lebron without HCA