Imagine the huge failure if OKC loses to a +500 underdog, yet Lebron did in 09' & 10

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011751]Lol what?



Awww man :lol

The king of "sophistry" talking about some shit.[/QUOTE]


The injured Magic were big underdogs, but then Jameer returned for the Finals and the Magic were lesser underdogs.... It shouldn't be complicated.

So everything stands... So Lebron never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed twice as an OKC-level favorite, which forced him to put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team (the "decision").

Somehow he got credit for winning the conference after that - a completely diluted conference that didn't even produce any 50-win opponents for the 2013 Eastern run and only required 22.8 ppg to win the 14' ECF.... Ultimately, the "decision" created an unprecedented 6 straight preseason favorites from 11' to 16', and also a sidekick to outplay the league MVP.. This unprecedented advantage required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it (KD's), but Lebron's advantage lasted twice as long (11-16' vs 17-19').

[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]

A) 3ball made some "points" but importantly didn't know that Jameer Nelson missed literally the entire second half of the year. He was
then told that he did in fact miss that amount of time.

B) 3ball then tried to say that the Magic were mediocre without him. He was proven that they most certainly were not.

C) 3ball then deflected away from it (presumably embarrassed) as he now tries to call his extremely limited 15mpg/4ppg return to the finals significant.

In other words...a 3ball Wednesday night :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011710]He went out in January? Bet most people don’t remember that.

It wasn’t like he got injured the round before..[/QUOTE]

Then act like Rafer Alton didn't ball out for the remainder of the season. Not saying he put up ridiculous numbers or anything, but he filled that role perfectly and let Hedo, Rashard and Dwight thrive.

[QUOTE=Wally450;15011757]Then act like Rafer Alton didn't ball out for the remainder of the season. Not saying he put up ridiculous numbers or anything, but he filled that role perfectly and let Hedo, Rashard and Dwight thrive.[/QUOTE]

Yea they traded for Skip at the deadline once Nelson went out if I'm not mistaken.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011756][B]Thread Cliffs[/B]

A) 3ball made some "points" but importantly didn't know that Jameer Nelson missed literally the entire second half of the year. He was
then told that he did in fact miss that amount of time.

B) 3ball then tried to say that the Magic were mediocre without him. He was proven that they most certainly were not.

C) 3ball then deflected away from it (presumably embarrassed) as he now tries to call his extremely limited 15mpg/4ppg return to the finals significant.

In other words...a 3ball Wednesday night :lol[/QUOTE]


Thread Cliffs

3ball points out that the 09' Magic were big underdogs due to injury, and ShawkFactory agrees.. Shawk points out that they were injured all year.

This non-point and deflection successfully avoided addressing the original point... i.e. Lebron never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed twice as an OKC-level favorite, which forced him to put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team (the "decision").. Prior to his 2 losses as the favorite, he was locked up in the 08' playoffs, so he was a trainwreck before stacking the deck (and after).

[QUOTE]3ball points out that the 09' Magic were big underdogs due to injury, [B]and ShawkFactory agrees[/B][/QUOTE]

He did not. That's why the entire rest of the conversation took place after that. Keep up :lol

It's okay to admit that you didn't remember what happened. And if you DID remember and are just lying about not..well I guess that's a 3ball tactic too :lol

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011761]He did not. That's why the entire rest of the conversation took place after that. Keep up :lol

It's okay to admit that you didn't remember what happened. And if you DID remember and are just lying about not..well I guess that's a 3ball tactic too :lol[/QUOTE]


You agreed.. You said the Magic were injured all year, so you don't disagree about their injured status... And that's why they were huge underdogs...

In addition to the Magic's injured status, Mo's arrival turned the Cavs into a top team after stinking with barely 45 wins in prior years.

So you guys simply pretend that Lebron is good when you know he underachieved a lot - you're basically embarrassed for him and feel compelled to defend someone that you wished had done better.

Again, Lebron never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed twice as an OKC-level favorite, which forced him to put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team (the "decision")

[QUOTE=3ba11;15011764]You agreed.. You said the Magic were injured all year, so you don't disagree about their injured status... And that's why they were huge underdogs...

In addition to the Magic's injured status, Mo's arrival turned the Cavs into a top team after stinking with barely 45 wins in prior years.

So you guys simply pretend that Lebron is good when you know he underachieved a lot - you're basically embarrassed for him and feel compelled to defend someone that you wished had done better.

Again, Lebron never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed twice as an OKC-level favorite, which forced him to put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team (the "decision")[/QUOTE]

:lol

Enjoy your evening.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011655]The fact LeBron was ever that big of a favorite with those shitty Cavs squads just proves he's the GOAT.[/QUOTE]

Lebron won bronze medals even with peak Duncan and Iverson on the team.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011765]:lol

Enjoy your evening.[/QUOTE]


I am... I just got you to agree.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011655]The fact LeBron was ever that big of a favorite with those shitty Cavs squads just proves he's the GOAT.[/QUOTE]


Lebron faced even shittier teams in the worst-ever conference - teams that won far less games and were old or injured.

Heck, Dirk was -1800 favorite when they lost in the 2007 1st Round, so I guess that makes him the GOAT based on your logic..

And then Lebron lost to Dirk, lol... I'm glad I didn't fall for this fraud like you guys did

[QUOTE=3ba11;15011770]I am... I just got you to agree.[/QUOTE]

Everyone saw what went down here. It’s now the historical record so you can’t change it despite your efforts.

Glad to know that thought of me agreeing with you would cause such enjoyment for you though :cheers:

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15011773]Everyone saw what went down here. It’s now the historical record so you can’t change it despite your efforts.

Glad to know that thought of me agreeing with you would cause such enjoyment for you though :cheers:[/QUOTE]


You agreed that the Magic's star player was injured, which kills any team in the playoffs, as their underdog status showed.

Then once Jameer returned for the Finals, the odds returned..

So you were conclusively proven wrong as usual.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15011772]Lebron faced even shittier teams in the worst-ever conference - teams that won far less games and were old or injured.

Heck, Dirk was -1800 favorite when they lost in the 2007 1st Round, so I guess that makes him the GOAT based on your logic..

And then Lebron lost to Dirk, lol... I'm glad I didn't fall for this fraud like you guys did[/QUOTE]
You're comparing the odds of a first round series vs a 42 win 8 seed with a negative point differential with a conference finals matchups. Not an intelligent point by you.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011781]

You're comparing the odds of a first round series vs a 42 win 8 seed


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Were they injured and missing their star guard?.. This kills any team in the playoffs.

So Dirk was massively-favored over a healthy team, while Lebron barely 1/3 the favorite against an injured, 1-star team.

Furthermore, Lebron only turned the Cavs into a 45-50 win team, so the 66 wins with Mo Williams represents REAL IMPROVEMENT - aka the Cavs were a good team that was facing an injured team, so they were heavily-favored... It's pretty simple.