SGA Is Already Better than Peak Lebron

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15012999]LeBron scored 2,999 points during the 2018 season/playoffs while dishing out considerably more assists than SGA.


And best two-way better since Jordan? LOL. Jordan wasn't even the best two way player in the 90's. That was Hakeem.

LeBron was better offensively/defensively during his back to back title run with Miami than SGA.[/QUOTE]


Lebron can't score compared to SGA - that's the issue - it's a big gap, so who cares about the assists

And Lebron isn't on any lists for 3k points in a season, or 3k + 600 assists, let alone winning titles like this, which only MJ did (and maybe SGA this year)..

Lebron also only needed 25 ppg to win the 2013 title because he had a super-team of 3 franchise players on 1 team... Lebron also averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the Finals to get a 1-2 deficit and need 7 games.. The Heat didn't win with Lebron on the floor in the 13' Finals (zero plus-minus and negative net rating).

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[B]In addition to being the goat scorer, Jordan is also the goat playmaker:[/B]


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Only Jordan won titles while scoring 3k points (except 2000 Shaq), and only Jordan won a title with 3k points and 600 assists.

Given Jordan's singular level of domination, why should anyone be surprised that he won 6 chips as the best player (twice as many as anyone else in 3-pointer history)???.. His caliber of domination is unmatched

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15013109]Modern fandom is so toxic. Instead of enjoying SGA and cheering him on to win his 1st title, we're setting him up agaisnt Mount Olympus already because apparently hes so head and shoulders above the current crop of stars we need to compare him to GOAT's. :facepalm Enjoy the show fellas, **** these weirdos.[/QUOTE]

It's the microwave generation. We can't just let a player cook over the course of their careers and then weigh it out. Nothing but instant results or else they fall short of players whose entire careers are already etched in stone. The discourse sucks....

[QUOTE=TheMan;15013012]I've seen that video, it's been debunked.

I saw his career, I don't need to watch biased videos to change the narrative after the fact. If it's true you're in your late 20s, you rely on videos to get your info whereas I don't but nice chatting wit ya, dawg :cheers:[/QUOTE]

Yeah that video been debunked. Someone used this in an argument recently elsewhere. Eye test dawg eye test.

Offtopic but somewhat relatable is Randy moss never goes over the middle. One video posts how he doesn’t. Another Video debunks it. Tug of war. I watched Randy Moss. He ran over the middle.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013100]I think Jordan, Shaq, and Kareem are the only people to ever win a scoring title, MVP, and FMVP in the same year. So I guess that would make Shai better than everyone else who didn’t do that either :lol

Also..the Thunder ARE stacked. Just because Shai is one of the lucky guys to play with a great organization capable of building a stacked cast “organically” doesn’t mean they aren’t stacked.

I’m probably as big of an SGA fan as anyone on ISH btw. But stop it :lol[/QUOTE]

Define stacked. Usually what’s implied by a stacked team meaning it’s loaded with talent. To where backups can start for other teams. Or maybe that’s my definition of stacked? I never got the sense that the Thunder were stacked. To me they have been the model of how a team should be built and play. Not that I want 32 teams playing like okc. They are the anti 3 star team that others keep trying to do. “I got two stars just need one more star player”. Whole time they can’t even fill a roster due to salary issues. SGA has help. So he doesn’t need it. But I also don’t think his team is stacked either. But again definitions can differ on what stacked means.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15013187]Define stacked. Usually what’s implied by a stacked team meaning it’s loaded with talent. To where backups can start for other teams. Or maybe that’s my definition of stacked? I never got the sense that the Thunder were stacked. To me they have been the model of how a team should be built and play. Not that I want 32 teams playing like okc. They are the anti 3 star team that others keep trying to do. “I got two stars just need one more star player”. Whole time they can’t even fill a roster due to salary issues. SGA has help. So he doesn’t need it. But I also don’t think his team is stacked either. But again definitions can differ on what stacked means.[/QUOTE]

I think Cason Wallace and Caruso would start for all but maybe a handful of teams. Caruso perhaps no more than 3 he wouldn’t. Wiggins and Joe probably for over half too. Wiggins had 41 in a game this year :lol

If you remove Shai I think Jalen Williams could be a 24-25 ppg guy and they’d probably still win 45-48ish games with all the depth. Maybe a little more honestly.

If “stacked” means star players together then no I guess not but they’re amazingly constructed.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013207]I think Cason Wallace and Caruso would start for all but maybe a handful of teams. Caruso perhaps no more than 3 he wouldn’t. Wiggins and Joe probably for over half too. Wiggins had 41 in a game this year :lol

If you remove Shai I think Jalen Williams could be a 24-25 ppg guy and they’d probably still win 45-48ish games with all the depth. Maybe a little more honestly.

If “stacked” means star players together then no I guess not but they’re amazingly constructed.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha, I follow where you’re going with it. I agree they are amazingly constructed. I’m really interested in seeing how they look in 2 years whether they can keep everyone. Who they have to sacrifice that you figured were going to be apart of the core forever (Chet?). It’ll be interesting to see for a small market team.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15013225]Gotcha, I follow where you’re going with it. I agree they are amazingly constructed. I’m really interested in seeing how they look in 2 years whether they can keep everyone. Who they have to sacrifice that you figured were going to be apart of the core forever (Chet?). It’ll be interesting to see for a small market team.[/QUOTE]

Yea either Jalen or Chet will have to be gone unfortunately. Probably some combination or Joe, Wiggins, Wallace too.

They’ve done a great job of stacking picks in anticipation for this though. They’ve hit so well recently that I guess they’re banking on finding the right guys again. Wouldn’t put it past them.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013207]I think Cason Wallace and Caruso would start for all but maybe a handful of teams. Caruso perhaps no more than 3 he wouldn’t. Wiggins and Joe probably for over half too. Wiggins had 41 in a game this year :lol

If you remove Shai I think Jalen Williams could be a 24-25 ppg guy and they’d probably still win 45-48ish games with all the depth. Maybe a little more honestly.

If “stacked” means star players together then no I guess not but they’re amazingly constructed.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. This is probably the best organic team since the '15 Warriors.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15013086]Bu-bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!![/QUOTE]

:roll:


[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15013116]Fluffers!!! Hurdurrr!!![/QUOTE]

You sound like a triggered Bronie fluffer.

:lebroncry:

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15013180]It's the microwave generation. We can't just let a player cook over the course of their careers and then weigh it out. Nothing but instant results or else they fall short of players whose entire careers are already etched in stone. The discourse sucks....[/QUOTE]

It's not about that. We're seeing greatness, and agenda driven "fans", such as 1987_Lakers try to undermind and downplay because it hurts their own fake narrative they're trying to push.

[QUOTE=Full Court;15013236]It's not about that. We're seeing greatness, and agenda driven "fans", such as 1987_Lakers try to undermind and downplay because it hurts their own fake narrative they're trying to push.[/QUOTE]

I just would like to see players judged within the context of their eras, contemporaries and situations. It's getting nigh high impossible to compare players decades apart over near 80 years of NBA basketball. Makes it really hard to just enjoy what's happening in the moment because there's this weird need to be compared to the past ( I know it's not unique to basketball but it really feels so antagonistic in tone compared to some other sports).

[QUOTE=Full Court;15013232]I agree with this. This is probably the best organic team since the '15 Warriors.[/QUOTE]

OKC didn't draft Shai... they're not organic, chico

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013230]Yea either Jalen or Chet will have to be gone unfortunately. Probably some combination or Joe, Wiggins, Wallace too.

They’ve done a great job of stacking picks in anticipation for this though. They’ve hit so well recently that I guess they’re banking on finding the right guys again. Wouldn’t put it past them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah who can really argue with the track record of drafting replacement and/or trading for them even. Great situation to be in for a franchise.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15013241]OKC didn't draft Shai... they're not organic, chico[/QUOTE]

^Incredibly low IQ take. OKC didn't draft a lot of their players. No team has drafted all their players. Organic means they developed their players rather than hunting for stars. Glad I could educate you.