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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15018317]Blocks and steals dont mean someone is a good defender[/QUOTE]
If you're leading in these categories it's usually an indication of effort and hustle.
The guys who were usually at the top of the league in steals (Jordan, Pippen, Payton, Stockton, Mookie) were all known for being absolute pests on defense. The guys who led in blocks (Dream, Admiral, Mutumbo) were all elite interior guys.
Not a coincidence.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15018309]I have a hard time ranking Wilt defensively. I tried to take defensive longevity into consideration in these rankings and Wilt in particular didn't peak until the 2nd half of his career on that end, even then there are some things I question about that time frame.
- Lakers didn't see much improvement on the defensive end when they added him in 1969.
- Lakers had a top 4 defense in 1970 with Wilt only playing 12 games that season
- Lakers had an average defense in 1971 with Wilt playing 82 games
Just some inconsistencies that make me question if he deserves top 10.
Someone like Dwight Howard at his defensive peak was leading a below average cast defensively to a top 1-3 on defense for 3 straight years.[/QUOTE]I just checked his team's defensive rankings. Warriors and Sixers were usually 2nd (behind Boston) a few 3rd and even had a 1st place defensive ratings. He was hurt the majority of his Laker career.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15018325]If you're leading in these categories it's usually an indication of effort and hustle.
The guys who were usually at the top of the league in steals (Jordan, Pippen, Payton, Stockton, Mookie) were all known for being absolute pests on defense. The guys who led in blocks (Dream, Admiral, Mutumbo) were all elite interior guys.
Not a coincidence.[/QUOTE]
Getting steals could be playing in passing lanes and gambling while giving up many buckets. Guys that try to block everything arent in position to secure rebounds and give up east put backs. rubio got steals playing behind his man hoping gobert would cover for him if he failed
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15018323]We can go back and watch this game, not Wilt. [B]And it's freaking Iman Shumpert. These Wilt stories are from Hall of Famers.[/B][/QUOTE]
I didn't realize people who make the hall of fame are usually better people who don't exaggerate. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15018327]I just checked his team's defensive rankings[B]. Warriors and Sixers were usually 2nd (behind Boston)[/B] a few 3rd and even had a 1st place defensive ratings. He was hurt the majority of his Laker career.[/QUOTE]
Lie.
1961: #3
1962: #3
1963: #5
Keep in mind this is in a 8-9 team league. So it's not the same as being #3 in today's league out of 29 teams.
In 1962 for example, when ranked #3, the Warriors had a 92.4 DRTG when the league average was 93.3. They were not too far off league average.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15018323][B]We can go back and watch this game, not Wilt[/B]. And it's freaking Iman Shumpert. These Wilt stories are from Hall of Famers.[/QUOTE]
Your point being?
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15018323]And it's freaking Iman Shumpert. These Wilt stories are from Hall of Famers.[/QUOTE]
So what?
L.Kizzle, weren't you supposed to make this project during the offseason?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?521883-New-Topic-Projects-For-The-Offseason[/url]
To put Dray above Pat Ewing and Wilt Chamberlain is pure lunacy.
[QUOTE=tpols;15018338]To put Dray above Pat Ewing and Wilt Chamberlain is pure lunacy.[/QUOTE]
And saying Siakam > Giannis isn't.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15018332]Lie.
1961: #3
1962: #3
1963: #5
Keep in mind this is in a 8-9 team league. So it's not the same as being #3 in today's league out of 29 teams.
In 1962 for example, when ranked #3, the Warriors had a 92.4 DRTG when the league average was 93.3. They were not too far off league average.[/QUOTE]
You have Garnett at like 5 and his Minnesota teams were below average.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15018337]L.Kizzle, weren't you supposed to make this project during the offseason?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?521883-New-Topic-Projects-For-The-Offseason[/url][/QUOTE]
Which topic should we roll with?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15018340]And saying Siakam > Giannis isn't.[/QUOTE]
Its even more absurd than that. You didn't even mention Dennis Rodman either. This a clown thread. :lol
2007 Wolves: #21 defense
2008 Wolves (Without KG): #27 defense. Wolves saw their DRTG increase more than +3.
2007 Celtics: #16 defense
2008 Celtics with KG: #1. Historically dominant too.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15018344]Which topic should we roll with?[/QUOTE]
I'm cool with this one or peaks.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15018346]2007 Wolves: #21 defense
2008 Wolves (Without KG): #27 defense. Wolves saw their DRTG increase more than +3.
2007 Celtics: #16 defense
2008 Celtics with KG: #1. Historically dominant too.[/QUOTE]
KG replaced Ryan Gomes.
Rondo in his second year got a significantly bigger role. No more Telfair.
Ray Allen was playing instead of Delonte West.
Perk played a lot more minutes at C instead of Al Jefferson.
KG was the anchor of the defense obviously but the 2008 team was very different from the 2007.