Klay simply wasnt good when it mattered most in the 2016 NBA Finals. He shot like shit with no injury and got lit up on defense. I dont care if you dont want to deal in facts.
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Klay simply wasnt good when it mattered most in the 2016 NBA Finals. He shot like shit with no injury and got lit up on defense. I dont care if you dont want to deal in facts.
[QUOTE=Carbine;15025135]This is how I know you are a troll. The game is very easily watchable for anyone to see the facts.
You choose to ignore them. I would say you're better than this but you're really not. This is par for the course for trollpols.
For anyone wondering:
[B]Kyrie scores 11 points on Klay as the primary defender 28 vs other defenders.[/B] Two pts came off free throws.
This after the other thread where you +1 me saying Kobe wasn't given all of Reggies and some other players points when they were matched up. I don't care to find the response but you know which one it was which is all that matters.[/QUOTE]
tpols destroyed
[QUOTE=tpols;15025137]Klay simply wasnt good when it mattered most in the 2016 NBA Finals. He shot like shit with no injury and got lit up on defense. [B]I dont care if you dont want to deal in facts.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is how you know someone has lost an argument.
Kyrie outplayed Klay by a massive margin in the 2016 playoffs H2H.
Its not really a disputable thing.
Did any of LeBron's teammates have this good of a performance during his early Cavs years?
[video=youtube;-SPjJ197oKE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SPjJ197oKE[/video]
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15025136]You actually took the time to do this?!
Jesus Christ dude you better be paid. You're objectively wrong but I respect the time I guess?[/QUOTE]
Mo's spacing taught everyone for the first time what LeStiffArm can do with spacing, so Pippen wouldn't be a good sidekick or win 66 like Mo did.
But Mo still required the 1st option to carry the scoring load, which LeBallDominate can't do against top teams
All of this is historical record - there are DATES associated with everything I just said.. Lebron said himself that "[I]I f*cked up in 09'.. We should've beaten the Magic[/I]"... His words..... and mine...
It's easy to forget that the Magic were missing their all-star guard Jameer Nelson, so the Magic had the injury excuse but still won - they were bigger underdogs than the Pacers vs OKC, but still won, for all the reasons MJ mentioned previously (LeBallDominate, LeButterfingers, aka clutch TO's and bad clutch efficiency = 3 lost leads in 4th... and LeDefense on Lee)
Kyrie literally went Wilt. So yea. Funny thing is he did it on Klay. If homeboy brought 5% of the energy he had in the thunder series into the Cavs matchup it would have been a wrap.
Its kind of crazy how Klay went off on a dominant thunder defense and was trash vs Cleveland who for a contender had a poor defensive rank.
He chose the perfect time to suck. :lol
A lot of yall know about that though.
[QUOTE=tpols;15025140]Kyrie outplayed Klay by a massive margin in the 2016 playoffs H2H.
Its not really a disputable thing.[/QUOTE]
Kyrie was equal-scoring partner to Lebron for the 2016 Playoffs - 1a/1b status with Lebron, so not too shabby... Kyrie outplayed Curry and young MJ on big stages, while Klay was a much lower producer than Hornacek
[QUOTE=3ba11;15025144]Kyrie was equal-scoring partner to Lebron for the 2016 Playoffs - 1a/1b status with Lebron, so not too shabby... Kyrie outplayed Curry and young MJ on big stages, while Klay was a much lower producer than Hornacek[/QUOTE]
A lot of Lebron stans dont realize this.
Imagine if John Stockton outplayed and outscored Michael Jordan AND Scottie Pippen H2H in the NBA Finals at the same time.
Thats what Kyrie did to both UMVP Curry and Klay.
Thats ****ing insane.
[QUOTE=Carbine;15025126]It's not historically overrated. Nobody is saying he was a generational defender, but he was very very close to being a deserving all NBA caliber defender for his years prior to injury.
You have a long history of down playing Klay though, which is very weird. It's like a Spurs fan shiting on Manu. Just weird weird shit to do as a fan for the Spurs/Warriors.
Agenda driven shit.
Anyways let's dig into the Mo thing and to a lesser extent big Z because those were his other 2 main guys. I want to say a look at how they did in the playoffs series they lost because ultimately that's what Lebron is given flake for - losing against Orlando and Boston.
Mo and Big Z accounted for 28.5 ppg between them on under 50TS which is very poor considering the team was on a 54TS
Add in the fact neither Big Z or Mo are known defenders of giving a lot of "intangible plays" like a Draymond would it's very easy for me to say this is shit help.
The following year when they lost against Boston:
It's now Mo and Jamieson. They combined for 25 on a hair over 50TS while the team shot 54.7TS
This is also clearly shit.
Thanks for this little exercise. It solidified that Lebron in fact had miserable help from his #2 and #3 options when they lost in those years.[/QUOTE]
Show me stats about klay’s defense
If you wanna hate on Mo and Jameson….2015 Finals Klay scored 16 ppg on .509 TS, this is while he was getting wide open looks as Curry was double teamed the majority of the time.
So take your “long history of downplaying klay” and shove it up your ass homie. I have a long history of telling it how it is.
Take your casual narratives and get up out of here.
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[QUOTE=3ba11;15025142]Mo's spacing taught everyone for the first time what LeStiffArm can do with spacing, so Pippen wouldn't be a good sidekick or win 66 like Mo did.
But Mo still required the 1st option to carry the scoring load, which LeBallDominate can't do against top teams
All of this is historical record - there are DATES associated with everything I just said.. Lebron said himself that "[I]I f*cked up in 09'.. We should've beaten the Magic[/I]"... His words..... and mine...
It's easy to forget that the Magic were missing their all-star guard Jameer Nelson, so the Magic had the injury excuse but still won - they were bigger underdogs than the Pacers vs OKC, but still won, for all the reasons MJ mentioned previously (LeBallDominate, LeButterfingers, aka clutch TO's and bad clutch efficiency = 3 lost leads in 4th... and LeDefense on Lee)[/QUOTE]
Mo could space plus create his own shot off the dribble…He was a legit baller. Its sad when lebron stans project and think everyone is being disingenuous and trolling like they are. Total disrespect to mo.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15025163]Mo could space plus create his own shot off the dribble…He was a legit baller. [B]Its sad when lebron stans project and think everyone is being disingenuous and trolling like they are.[/B] Total disrespect to mo.[/QUOTE]
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Okay.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15025155]Show me stats about klay’s defense
If you wanna hate on Mo and Jameson….2015 Finals Klay scored 16 ppg on .509 TS, this is while he was getting wide open looks as Curry was double teamed the majority of the time.
So take your “long history of downplaying klay” and shove it up your ass homie.[B] I have a long history of telling it how it is.
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Take your casual narratives and get up out of here.[/QUOTE]
You said Bosh was better than Kobe.
[QUOTE=Carbine;15025135]This is how I know you are a troll. The game is very easily watchable for anyone to see the facts.
You choose to ignore them. I would say you're better than this but you're really not. This is par for the course for trollpols.
For anyone wondering:
Kyrie scores 11 points on Klay as the primary defender 28 vs other defenders. Two pts came off free throws.
This after the other thread where you +1 me saying Kobe wasn't given all of Reggies and some other players points when they were matched up. I don't care to find the response but you know which one it was which is all that matters.[/QUOTE]
tpols didn't even try to refute the factual occurrence of this game :lol Slithered right back to 3ball like trolling.
I also love how Kyrie is Wilt for scoring 41, while Klay drops 37 in the same game in question and that's just never even brought up lol