The Goat with 11 points and 12 assists in his season debut

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15043631]Not even close to being true. I've pointed out the two way players in the game, and how much greater impact they have on total team performance. [B]Jokic has never put in the work into conditioning and is gassed on the defensive end in the 2nd half[/B]. This year he finally put SOME work into conditioning in the off-season but not enough.

Otherwise, he's been overweight, a step slow, and not fully committed on the defensive end. Were he to get into peak shape, he would be a rim protector given his size, but he's molasses for the most part on that end of the court.

Worth noting he has [B]very little skill in creating his shot[/B]. It's not the footwork of a Duncan or the sophisticated moves of an Olajuwon. He just uses his weight to barrel into players, creating daylight. It works, but it's not talent. Once he actually creates the shot, he is a great shooter as a big man- but I'm talking about the skill involved in creating the shot. To get the shot, he's not proven to be a great player, [B]really just a big player who knows how to use his weight[/B].

When you look at players like LeBron, Giannis, Shai - they are formidable defensively and they play a key role why their teams are generally top defenders. Even Curry, who lacks the size of others, is 100% committed in conditioning and effort on D; and the ethic spreads on the team.

Given my experience of discussing the matter with over-emotional Jokic fans, I'm not expecting a coherent or measured response.[/QUOTE]
Explain why Denver drop to the worst defense in the NBA when Jokic is off the floor :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043646]Yeah, because thats what a leader and a father does, he adapts to the qualities his son has and seeks to help him thrive in a role thats right for the kid, not force the fathers path onto his son. Thats why Lebron is currently the leading candidate to win this season's CotY award, with which comes the implication of being Father Figure of the Year as well. Bronny is BLOSSOMING before our eyes thanks to his own hard work and his father's dedicated guidance. Lebron dropping 11 points in his return IN TRIBUTE to the progress Bronny's been making was one of the coolest andmost moving things Ive seen on an nba court.

Now here's what's what: [I]You[/I] are gonna stop being an ASSHOLE, and you will give these two kings their damn respect, or I am just gonna have to fight the shit out of you.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???[/QUOTE]

Well, as it turns out, your sweet king jr. just got bounced to the G League. :roll:

:lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=Full Court;15043765]Well, as it turns out, your sweet king jr. just got bounced to the G League. :roll:

:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi8-6RnW0AA_bvH.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=KD7;15043664]Explain why Denver drop to the worst defense in the NBA when Jokic is off the floor :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Where did you get those numbers. Since 2025 has too small a dataset, I looked at 2023-4.

With Jokić on the court in 2023-24: Denver’s defensive rating was 114.0 points allowed per 100 possessions.

With Jokić off the court: Denver’s defensive rating was 112.2 in that same season.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15043779]Meanwhile

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi8-6RnW0AA_bvH.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Unfortunate.

Shame he made such poor life decisions. Especially since he was much better at basketball than Bronny is.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;15043429][video=youtube_share;in4NKrEbXQM]https://youtu.be/in4NKrEbXQM?si=BfhB26EXW_FJ7bqY[/video][/QUOTE]

are you ok? I really feel bad for you. Do you have any friends?