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Some more numbers:
Sabonis career best rebounding average in the playoffs, 11.0 vs Davis 15.6.
Sabonis scoring peak 16.4 vs Davis 31.5.
Sabonis career high FG% 58% as a role player vs Davis 63% as option 1A/B.
All this also not taking into account Sabonis has never been out of the first round.
[QUOTE=beasted;15044225]How does Sabonis fit better? Butler plays in the mid post and Draymond is the one conducting the dribble handoffs. Sabonis is totally redundant with both of them offensively. Defensively he adds nothing.
Davis adds at least something of a lob threat. Also, Sabonis' best ever FTA per game in the playoffs were 4.0, Davis' worst ever FT average was 5.2 a night with the best being 9 FT attempts. You cant compare their ability to draw fouls.
Let's not pretend that if Davis was traded straight up for Sabonis that everyone would call it a fleecing. They are players on different tiers. Let's keep the downsides of Davis [B]strictly[/B] as injury concerns. Let's not start making up fairytales about Sabonis being better in any meaningful way.[/QUOTE]
They need more players stretching the floor not less. Davis gets to the line more and shoots them better which is great in a big. He looks to score more. Sabonis is better at everything else offensively. And he will likely be on the floor unlike crutch. If you want a lob threat there are better options. Defensively they have have green, butler, payton, horford. Can he play team d with those guys around him?
Who cares who you think is better straight up. It is a team sport. I dont think davis is a great fit on that team other than he is another old guy that will miss a lot of games. There are teams where davis might fit better like chicago or ny. I could care less. Shit show in gs is fine by me.
[QUOTE=beasted;15044233]Some more numbers:
Sabonis career best rebounding average in the playoffs, 11.0 vs Davis 15.6.
Sabonis scoring peak 16.4 vs Davis 31.5.
Sabonis career high FG% 58% as a role player vs Davis 63% as option 1A/B.
All this also not taking into account Sabonis has never been out of the first round.[/QUOTE]
Sabonis is an all star not a role player. How has davis done outside the bubble and without lebron? Again team sport. Fg% includes 3s which sabonis takes more of. Already said davis scores more. They have curry and butler. I dont imagine scoring will be a problem with him as the 3rd option. Davis or someone might not be happy if they arent getting enough touches or god forbid they have to play the 5!
Bruh I’m a half way warriors fan who has lived in LA.
We don’t want Davis!!!!!!!
WTF you thinking?
You over thinking.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044236]Sabonis is an all star not a role player. How has davis done outside the bubble and without lebron? Again team sport. Fg% includes 3s which sabonis takes more of. Already said davis scores more. They have curry and butler. I dont imagine scoring will be a problem with him as the 3rd option. Davis or someone might not be happy if they arent getting enough touches or god forbid they have to play the 5![/QUOTE]
I was saying that when Sabonis averaged 58% FG in the playoffs it was as a bench player. As a star his best was 50% far below Davis both with or without Lebron.
Davis as the number one option at least led his team to the 2nd round.
Anyway to sum up this whole disagreement, GS should trade for Davis if they are looking for a true #2/1b option that can also be the most impactful player on both sides of the court for any given playoff game, the huge risk is injury.
GS should trade for Sabonis knowing you will only be getting a 3rd option, 2nd option at his very best, and it's highly unlikely he will be even the best offensive player on his own team for any playoff game sharing the court with Curry and Butler, and he will hurt their defense if Draymond and Butler are in foul trouble, but he's typically been a much more durable player.
Davis isn’t leading anyone anywhere anymore.
Let that sink in.
Dude is through.
He’s been paid and basketball ain’t shit.
The OP is an idiot if he can’t see this.
[QUOTE=beasted;15044243]I was saying that when Sabonis averaged 58% FG in the playoffs it was as a bench player. As a star his best was 50% far below Davis both with or without Lebron.
Davis as the number one option at least led his team to the 2nd round.
Anyway to sum up this whole disagreement, GS should trade for Davis if they are looking for a true #2/1b option that can also be the most impactful player on both sides of the court for any given playoff game, the huge risk is injury.
GS should trade for Sabonis knowing you will only be getting a 3rd option, 2nd option at his very best, and it's highly unlikely he will be even the best offensive player on his own team for any playoff game sharing the court with Curry and Butler, and he will hurt their defense if Draymond and Butler are in foul trouble, but he's typically been a much more durable player.[/QUOTE]
Curry and butler should be good enough as the 1 and 2 options. Obviously butler misses a lot of games as well and might not be happy if he isnt getting the ball enough
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044247]Curry and butler should be good enough as the 1 and 2 options. Obviously butler misses a lot of games as well and might not be happy if he isnt getting the ball enough[/QUOTE]
Good enough to lead them to the 8th spot. Butler has been a mediocre sidekick after the new car smell wore off.
His numbers look good on paper, but his impact on the team has not been what it was last year. He's also a shell of himself defensively.
[QUOTE=beasted;15044288]Good enough to lead them to the 8th spot. Butler has been a mediocre sidekick after the new car smell wore off.
His numbers look good on paper, but his impact on the team has not been what it was last year. He's also a shell of himself defensively.[/QUOTE]
Than davis injured in the sidelines doesnt help them anyway
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044189]Sabonis a better fit. Better shooter, better rebounder, better passer, more willing to screen and play tge 5, healthier, younger[/QUOTE]
Horrible defender and while he's better from mid-range & 3 on percentages he doesn't shoot at an enough volume. His mid-range volume is really low compared to AD so even if his % is better he doesnt take many. He takes 2 threes a game and that's significantly more in volume than his mid-range. Rebounding really isn't a big difference.
He's just a better passer but for GS that wouldn't matter much you're not running the offense through him with the way Warriors move the ball, Dray already got that role anyway. AD makes more sense with what the Warriors need. Sabonis also tore his meniscus so that could be an issue moving forward.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15044297]Horrible defender and while he's better from mid-range & 3 on percentages he doesn't shoot at an enough volume. His mid-range volume is really low compared to AD so even if his % is better he doesnt take many. He takes 2 threes a game and that's significantly more in volume than his mid-range. Rebounding really isn't a big difference.
He's just a better passer but for GS that wouldn't matter much you're not running the offense through him with the way Warriors move the ball, Dray already got that role anyway. AD makes more sense with what the Warriors need. Sabonis also tore his meniscus so that could be an issue moving forward.[/QUOTE]
Sure make it easier for opposing defenses if they can pack the paint
[QUOTE=bdonovan;15044150]We get Anthony Davis.
We give the Mavs:
[B]Kuminga (future all-star)
Podziemski (starting Guard on GSW)
Moody (promising 3 and D player, 6th man)
2026 1st round draft pick
2028 1st round draft pick[/B]
Jonathan Kuminga can be an all-star, potentially even an MVP, on the right team. He is young, fitting in with the Mavs rebuilding project around Cooper Flagg.
Pods and Moody are also young too but enough experience to hit the ground running. Moody is a top 6th man in the league.
Kuminga's ceiling is MVP. He has incredible offensive moves; and can put up 30 points/game, if given minutes. He has been stifled on the Warriors because chemistry issues between him and Curry, him and Kerr. The minute that changes, and he's given free reign, he can do serious damage. You need a scorer while Cooper develops. He is strong on individual D in guarding and with the right coaching, will improve in terms of team D.
Would you take it?[/QUOTE]
Kuminga is not even a good player. He's Jordan Poole level of trainwreck.
Pod and Moody is ok. Both barely starting level player.
So Mavs should not take it. It's not bad enough. Maybe AD for Beal?
[QUOTE=iamgine;15044310]Kuminga is not even a good player. He's Jordan Poole level of trainwreck.
Pod and Moody is ok. Both barely starting level player.
So Mavs should not take it. It's not bad enough. Maybe AD for Beal?[/QUOTE]
Sure just add another 40 million in contracts to match
Funny to see two idiots in the other thread acting like “day to day” Davis has no trade value. But saying this is a fair value. Guess his aging and health matters none.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044309]Sure make it easier for opposing defenses if they can pack the paint[/QUOTE]
Warriors always had bigs who couldn't shoot but provided defense & rebounding and screened for their shooters. They move the ball a lot. Sabonis is not even a 3PT shooter that you'd be worried about because he's not a volume shooter nor a good one.