80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]lol... I know. I mean you still had very good Rockets, Magic, Knicks, Jazz, Sonics and Bulls teams. How many players that were on the Grizzlies and Raptors could have gone to other teams and all of a sudden make them contenders? It didn't cause the NBA to be weaker at all. In fact... I think the 72-10 Bulls actually lost to the Raptors.

The '90s were awesome.

[B]Oh and I'm going with the '90s.

Prime Jordan who played team basketball paired up with Pippen, Hakeem, Stockton and Malone with Shaq off the bench? Bird and Magic were great but '90s Jordan would have beaten '80s Jordan in a team game, Kareem was passed his prime and going up against Shaq and a prime Hakeem would have been hard. Also that bench for the '90s team is just absolutely sick.[/B][/QUOTE]

Well you do have MJ and Hakeem for the 80's. And you say Shaq coming off the bench. Well how about Isiah Thomas, Hakeem, MVP '81 Julius Erving and MVP '82 Moses Malone coming off the bench. And this is 1980 Kareem... we are talking about the NBA MVP for that year. Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, and Grant Hill wouldn't even make the roster for the 80's squad if they played in that decade. No doubt the bench is better for the 80's squad.

[QUOTE=Korki Buchek]Okay, will you please tell me what players the 1995-96 Raptors and the 1995-96 Grizzlies took from the other teams in the league to lower the standard of the entire league? The best players the Raptors took from other teams in the NBA were Doug Christie, Tracy Murray and Oliver Miller; and the best players Grizzlies took from other teams were Greg Anthony, Blue Edwards, Benoit Benjamin and a 34 year-old Byron Scott. Not a single one compares to Gerald Wallace that Bobcats got when they entered the league.

So apparently, according to you, the fact that a handful of mediocre players such as these got transferred to two expansion teams somehow made the league less competitive because the players became spread out. Wow.[/QUOTE]

Seriously the NBA was watterd down in 1996 when u compare it to the mid 1980's. Just look at the Cavs for '96. They made the playoffs with a starting 5 of Terrell Brandon / Michael Cage / Danny Ferry / Chris Mills / Bobby Phills.

It wasn't just 2 teams that were added in '96 that watterd down the NBA. In 1988-89 the NBA added 2 teams and another 2 teams in 1989-90. And 2 more in 1995-96. 6 teams were added in the NBA in a span of 8 years. That weakens competition.

[QUOTE=Korki Buchek]Okay, will you please tell me what players the 1995-96 Raptors and the 1995-96 Grizzlies took from the other teams in the league to lower the standard of the entire league? The best players the Raptors took from other teams in the NBA were Doug Christie, Tracy Murray and Oliver Miller; and the best players Grizzlies took from other teams were Greg Anthony, Blue Edwards, Benoit Benjamin and a 34 year-old Byron Scott. Not a single one compares to Gerald Wallace that Bobcats got when they entered the league.

So apparently, according to you, the fact that a handful of mediocre players such as these got transferred to two expansion teams somehow made the league less competitive because the players became spread out. Wow.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Another flaw in the whole argument that the 90s and 00s are watered down compared to other eras is that people don't take into account that as the league expanded, the whole basketball population expanded, Basketball has gotten more popular, meaning more people playing the sport, meaning more competition as a whole. Its gotten so popular that the US hasn't won a gold medal in 8 years.

[QUOTE=guy]:applause: Another flaw in the whole argument that the 90s and 00s are watered down compared to other eras is that people don't take into account that as the league expanded, the whole basketball population expanded, Basketball has gotten more popular, meaning more people playing the sport, meaning more competition as a whole. [B]Its gotten so popular that the US hasn't won a gold medal in 8 years.[/B][/QUOTE]

That should tell you how bad the NBA is now compared to the 80's / 90's.

whatifsports simulation: 80's vs 90's

[B]Game 1[/B]
80's: 126
90's 96
Player of the Game: Kevin McHale

[B]Game 2 [/B]
80's: 110
90's: 102
Player of the Game: Magic Johnson

[B]Game 3[/B]
80's: 115
90's: 108
Player of the Game: Magic Johnson

[B]Game 4 [/B]
80's: 110
90's 111
Player of the Game: Hakeem Olajuwon (90's)

[B]Game 5 [/B]
80's: 107
90's: 95
Player of the Game: Larry Bird

80's win series 4-1

Note: 80's out rebounded the 90's by 10+ during the series.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]whatifsports simulation: 80's vs 90's
Note: 80's out rebounded the 90's by 10+ during the series.[/QUOTE]
Of course they would. Everyone on the '80 besides Zeke has averaged 8 boards or more in a season.

its funny how people always say that the 90s is overrated. i mean, how can it be overrated when the fact is, basketball was at its peak. its also funny when people say that the league was watered down but have no substance for such an argument.

the whole waterd down theory is funny because there was still plenty of talented basketall players playing in the 90s. all teams still had a big three but some were better than others just like the 80s.now, if the 90s had teams like the bulls being put out by teams like the grizzlies i would say that the 90s were overrated. and oh by the way that did happen in the 80s to the mighty lakers. the 80s had very bad teams making the playoffs and beating championship teams. they had a bunch of crack heads playing in the 80s also.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]That should tell you how bad the NBA is now compared to the 80's / 90's.[/QUOTE]

all the 90s dream teams won the gold

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]whatifsports simulation: 80's vs 90's

[B]Game 1[/B]
80's: 126
90's 96
Player of the Game: Kevin McHale

[B]Game 2 [/B]
80's: 110
90's: 102
Player of the Game: Magic Johnson

[B]Game 3[/B]
80's: 115
90's: 108
Player of the Game: Magic Johnson

[B]Game 4 [/B]
80's: 110
90's 111
Player of the Game: Hakeem Olajuwon (90's)

[B]Game 5 [/B]
80's: 107
90's: 95
Player of the Game: Larry Bird

80's win series 4-1

Note: 80's out rebounded the 90's by 10+ during the series.[/QUOTE]

that thing goes strictly by stats and is unrealistic. you should be ashamed for posting this.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]its funny how people always say that the 90s is overrated. i mean, how can it be overrated when the fact is, basketball was at its peak. its also funny when people say that the league was watered down but have no substance for such an argument.

the whole waterd down theory is funny because there was still plenty of talented basketall players playing in the 90s. all teams still had a big three but some were better than others just like the 80s.now, if the 90s had teams like the bulls being put out by teams like the grizzlies i would say that the 90s were overrated. and oh by the way that did happen in the 80s to the mighty lakers.[B] the 80s had very bad teams making the playoffs and beating championship teams.[/B] they had a bunch of crack heads playing in the 80s also.[/QUOTE]

:lol

Maybe the 80's had bad teams making the playoffs because 16 teams made the playoffs when there were only 23 teams in the nba.

Do some reserach before you post.

And most NBA Fans will tell you the NBA was at its best in the 80's. People like you is what's making the 90's overrated.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]That should tell you how bad the NBA is now compared to the 80's / 90's.[/QUOTE]

No that just means the game beyond the US has improved greatly, and also the NBA players don't want to play for the US as much as they did in 92, the first year NBA players were playing. And that was just an example, the popularity hasn't just increased outside of the US. Its also increased greatly in the US, making it more competitive amongst Americans. Combine that with the rise of the international game, and basketball is just more competitive, and it basically correlates with the expansion of the NBA.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]:lol

Maybe the 80's had bad teams making the playoffs because 16 teams made the playoffs when there were only 23 teams in the nba.

Do some reserach before you post.

And most NBA Fans will tell you the NBA was at its best in the 80's. People like you is what's making the 90's overrated.[/QUOTE]

man, i dont care how many teams were in the league. under 500 is under 500 period. and the fact is under 500 teams should not be advancing and beating the so called championship or gretest teams ever.

and YOU NEED TO DO RESEARCH, cuz the fact is that the nba ratings were at its highest in the 90s. which means more people were watching.

[QUOTE=guy]No that just means the game beyond the US has improved greatly, and also the NBA players don't want to play for the US as much as they did in 92, the first year NBA players were playing. And that was just an example, the popularity hasn't just increased outside of the US. Its also increased greatly in the US, making it more competitive amongst Americans. Combine that with the rise of the international game, and basketball is just more competitive, and it basically correlates with the expansion of the NBA.[/QUOTE]

thank you

[QUOTE=97 bulls]man, i dont care how many teams were in the league. under 500 is under 500 period. and the fact is under 500 teams should not be advancing and beating the so called championship or gretest teams ever.

and YOU NEED TO DO RESEARCH, cuz the fact is that the nba ratings were at its highest in the 90s. which means more people were watching.[/QUOTE]

Popularity does not equal quality.

And you are acting like a 500 team beat an NBA Championship contender every year. That only happened once in 1981 when the Rockets beat the Lakers in a [B]3 GAME SERIES[/B] and those '81 lakers were no where near as good as they were in 1984-1989.

The fact is there were better players in the 80's and better teams in the 80's.

'83 Sixers
'86 Celtics
'87 Lakers
'89 Pistons

those 4 teams were named on the 10 greatest teams list in NBA History by the NBA.

It's not even close. 80's > 90's

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Popularity does not equal quality.

And you are acting like a 500 team beat an NBA Championship contender every year. That only happened once in 1981 when the Rockets beat the Lakers in a [B]3 GAME SERIES[/B] and those '81 lakers were no where near as good as they were in 1984-1989.

The fact is there were better players in the 80's and better teams in the 80's.

'83 Sixers
'86 Celtics
'87 Lakers
'89 Pistons

those 4 teams were named on the 10 greatest teams list in NBA History by the NBA.

It's not even close. 80's > 90's[/QUOTE]

all im sayin is that if these 80s were so great how come so many sub 500 teams made it to the playoffs. every year there were anwhere from 1-4 under 500 teams. i just cant say that this is the measuring stick