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[QUOTE=Jasper]Here it is :
1) Jordan
2) Dumar
3) Glove
4) Sidney Moncrief
5) Drexler
honorable mention -
Clyde Frazier
jo jo White
Denis Johnson[/QUOTE]
Clyde Drexler a better defender than Kobe? LOL. Jojo White never even made All-Defensive 1st or 2nd team and Dennis Johnson and Walt Frazier were point guards.
better tell everyone , Sidney handled the ball as much as the glove
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Kobe has been the best defensive SG since Jordan retired. I'm not bias. It's a fact.[/QUOTE]
Raja Bell is a better defender... but its close.
I'd say Bowen is above Kobe in terms of being the best defensive SG in the last 5-6 years. Bowen, despite being listed as an SF lately, has always taken the tough SG's.
Jordan. Done.
Phil would never ask Jordan to guard Rajon Rondo in the finals.
[QUOTE=DuMa]Phil would never ask Jordan to guard Rajon Rondo in the finals.[/QUOTE]
That's because Jordan would be guarding either Ray Allen or Paul Pierce. What made him and Scottie Pippen so good was because they were both very athletic players that could guard just about any shooting guard or small forward. Jordan and Pippen could switch and still limit the opposing player to a certain number of points.
Jordan is the best defensive shooting guard in terms of statistics. He was a 6'5" shooting guard that could average 3 SPG and 1.5 BPG. If you're talking about putting up intangibles, Joe Dumars would win that in my opinion. Dumars was an excellent defender that often gave Jordan trouble and Jordan even admitted this. Dumars provided many intangibles which did not appear on the scoresheet. Dumars made quite a number of All-Defensive teams and rightfully so. He was quite underrated because he played with Isiah Thomas.
[QUOTE=DuMa]Phil would never ask Jordan to guard Rajon Rondo in the finals.[/QUOTE]
wow. dumbass.
anyways, i think the best defensive shooting guard of all time would have to be scottie pippen. he consistently brought it at the defensive end and the same can't be said about jordan. michael played great defense, don't get me wrong, but there were times near the end of his career where michael only played defense in the 4th quarters.
however, if michael jordan had played a lesser role on the offensive end during his years with the bulls, he would probably be considered the best defensive shooting guard ever.
[QUOTE=Lakers (KB24)]wow. dumbass.
anyways, i think the best defensive shooting guard of all time would have to be scottie pippen. he consistently brought it at the defensive end and the same can't be said about jordan. michael played great defense, don't get me wrong, but there were times near the end of his career where michael only played defense in the 4th quarters.
however, if michael jordan had played a lesser role on the offensive end during his years with the bulls, he would probably be considered the best defensive shooting guard ever.[/QUOTE]
Scottie was a SF, not a SG, and he almost exclusively guarded SF's during his career with Chicago. So no, Scottie is not the best defensive SG ever because he was never a SG.
Jordan, even in 1998 at age 35, had more defensive impact on games than almost any wing player today has. Go watch the Indiana series from '98 for evidence. Clamping down on lightning quick Travis Best when he was burning Kerr/Harper; stopping 2-on-1 and 3-on-1 breaks repeatedly; denying Jalen Rose time and time again in isos and post ups; disrupting post play from the weak and strong side; making game saving blocks on perimeter rotations. You're crazy.
[QUOTE=Loki]Scottie was a SF, not a SG, and he almost exclusively guarded SF's during his career with Chicago. So no, Scottie is not the best defensive SG ever because he was never a SG.
Jordan, even in 1998 at age 35, had more defensive impact on games than almost any wing player today has. Go watch the Indiana series from '98 for evidence. Clamping down on lightning quick Jamal Tinsley when he was burning Kerr/Harper; stopping 2-on-1 and 3-on-1 breaks repeatedly; denying Jalen Rose time and time again in isos and post ups; disrupting post play from the weak and strong side. You're crazy.[/QUOTE]
Jordan's defense was huge in that series. When the Pacers won games 3 and 4, Jordan stepped up his game and provided excellent all-around defense, in addition to his scoring. With the exception of their series against the Bulls in 1992, this series was the Bulls' toughest one during any of their three-peats.
[QUOTE=Loki]Scottie was a SF, not a SG, and he almost exclusively guarded SF's during his career with Chicago. So no, Scottie is not the best defensive SG ever because he was never a SG.
Jordan, even in 1998 at age 35, had more defensive impact on games than almost any wing player today has. Go watch the Indiana series from '98 for evidence. Clamping down on lightning quick Jamal Tinsley when he was burning Kerr/Harper; stopping 2-on-1 and 3-on-1 breaks repeatedly; denying Jalen Rose time and time again in isos and post ups; disrupting post play from the weak and strong side; making game saving blocks on perimeter rotations. You're crazy.[/QUOTE]
jamaal tinsley wasn't even in the nba during the 1998 season. so i guess you're the crazy one lol.
[QUOTE=Lakers (KB24)]jamaal tinsley wasn't even in the nba during the 1998 season. so i guess you're the crazy one lol.[/QUOTE]
Wrong name. I meant Travis Best. My bad - had my Indy PG's confused.
[QUOTE=Lakers (KB24)]jamaal tinsley wasn't even in the nba during the 1998 season. so i guess you're the crazy one lol.[/QUOTE]
Travis Best he means.
[QUOTE=Loki]Wrong name. I meant Travis Best. My bad - had my Indy PG's confused.[/QUOTE]
lol yeah i figured that's who you meant. i'm pretty sure i could guard jamaal tinsley. it's too bad he's been injury prone and suffered from a disease called dumbassism, he looked good his rookie year.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Name a SG that is better than Kobe defensively that I didn't nominate.[/QUOTE]
Don't feel bad, people just really do't like Kobe here so even if you rank him amog all-time greats they feel offended. I wish people would grow up, nobody has listed him as there pick for best all-time and hes clearly no higher than #4 but can be argued as high as that.
Doug Christie easily should be mentioned in this thread right?
Michael Jordan imo.
Sidney is right up there with MJ too.
also, cooper, that was one quick defensive cat.