in a time of an incredible credit crunch, obama compares his own spending policies to that of a mission to the moon
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in a time of an incredible credit crunch, obama compares his own spending policies to that of a mission to the moon
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obama is always trying to get the last word and interrupt and get defensive.
mccain is just really outclassing him in these debates
Obama looks bad at there. Losing the grip he had on the election as we speak.
[quote=statman32]Obama looks bad at there. Losing the grip he had on the election as we speak.[/quote]
LMAO... freaking brilliant.
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[QUOTE=statman32]Obama looks bad at there. Losing the grip he had on the election as we speak.[/QUOTE]
sadly, its not gonna change most people's minds.
mccain is suffering the "tv effect"
people dont hear the mccain substance, they see the obama youth and good looks, and thats what they think makes the better president. mccain looks like an old hunchback midget. he doesnt look tall and majestic like obama. and unfortunately that affects perception
its like when fans in the NFL always want to draft a "new young franchise face" at quarterback. they think that youth/looks can just turn the fortune of establishment around. "that guy looks good, he must be the savior!"
tsk tsk
People see what they want to see. Hence Denali's (who should never be taken seriously anyway) and Statman's comments.
As I said, I'm not a fan of either candidate. However, I find it extremely disturbing that McCain keeps referring to us as his friends.
[QUOTE=D.J.]As I said, I'm not a fan of either candidate. However, I find it extremely disturbing that McCain keeps referring to us as his friends.[/QUOTE]
the fact that you find that "extremely disturbing" would indicate that you most likely are not impartial the way you claim
[quote=Denali]the fact that you find that "extremely disturbing" would indicate that you most likely are not impartial the way you claim[/quote]
[I]non sequitur....[/I]
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[QUOTE=Denali]the fact that you find that "extremely disturbing" would indicate that you most likely are not impartial the way you claim[/QUOTE]
I am impartial, but the man refers to us as his friends and you can tell by the look on his face that he doesn't mean it. At least Obama comes across as somewhat sincere.
[QUOTE=D.J.]I am impartial, but the man refers to us as his friends and you can tell by the look on his face that he doesn't mean it. At least Obama comes across as somewhat sincere.[/QUOTE]
What's your other username? Or do you want to pretend you are a new poster?
[QUOTE=D.J.]I am impartial, but the man refers to us as his friends and you can tell by the look on his face that he doesn't mean it. At least Obama comes across as somewhat sincere.[/QUOTE]
this goes back to my point i just made 10 seconds ago.
guys like this guy are worried about the expression on the candidates face rather than the points they're making, and will subsequently vote that way. pathetic.
[QUOTE=statman32]What's your other username? Or do you want to pretend you are a new poster?[/QUOTE]
I'm a new poster. I joined a few days ago.
Neither one is answering the questions being asked. It's really annoying.
whoa. um, why the hell would I want my health records online? wtf JMac?
[quote=IlliniFan]Neither one is answering the questions being asked. It's really annoying.[/quote]
Thats the game of debates today and the moderators do not hold them accountable.
So, they avoid the full answers and just attack their opponents....
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[QUOTE=IlliniFan]Neither one is answering the questions being asked. It's really annoying.[/QUOTE]
agreed and they are just rambling. soo boring
[quote=kentatm]whoa. um, why the hell would I want my health records online? wtf JMac?[/quote]
Actually, both candidates said that, except that McCain said it the wrong way... basically what they want is electronic medical records that are governed in a universal format... So, every time you go to the doctor, you don't have to repeat all the forms over and over again. It can be a real pain in the butt, so its a good thing.
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healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT
[QUOTE=SoCalMike]Actually, both candidates said that, except that McCain said it the wrong way... basically what they want is electronic medical records that are governed in a universal format... So, every time you go to the doctor, you don't have to repeat all the forms over and over again. It can be a real pain in the butt, so its a good thing.
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thing is, they cant keep people from poking around in our passport information.
oh well.
this is some crappy moderating. if they are going on too long just cut them off man.
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This debate is pointless.
obama is a young, inexperienced, big-talking idealistic fan favorite who got hoisted up by the crowd and pushed to the front to stand up at the podium and sing maxims of change and hope and all the things people want to hear.
mccain has been doing this a long time and knows how foreign policy works, he knows how legislating works, he understands the principles of government and he is REALISTIC.
if you want steady, solid substance, vote mccain.
if you want to hear about change, idealism, hope, new america, yes we can, and a whole bunch of other stuff that are not even remotely substantive policy platforms, then vote obama. but voting obama is like putting something on credit. yeah, you're enjoying the wave of his speaking and his preaching and his hope right now, but when he goes to put all these policies in place, the bubble is gonna burst because the totality of these policies just wont add up to be plausible. but hey, they sound good. they're great in an ideal world, right? so lets just ignore reality, be undisciplined, lack a realistic point of view, and vote for barrack hussein obama bin laden.
McCain looks horrible out there.
[QUOTE=IlliniFan]People see what they want to see. Hence Denali's (who should never be taken seriously anyway) and Statman's comments.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's why in these threads, it's usually liberals complimenting Obama/Biden and the conservatives complimenting McCain/Palin.
This debate sucks. Spread these things much farther out along the campaigns. It's just non-answers and repeating of the talking points we've heard for months.
no follow up questions is a stupid ass rule.
[quote=kentatm]no follow up questions is a stupid ass rule.[/quote]
No kidding. "Here's the topic, state your talking points. Don't worry about responding to criticism from your opponent."
This debate won't change anything. They're just saying the same things they've been saying. Anyone thinking someone is winning or losing this debate is an idiot.
[QUOTE=bballer]healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT[/QUOTE]
Funny.....most other democracies believe otherwise........ and the people seem to like it.
[b]Obama using Osama as an excuse to invade Pakistan?[/b]
that was very interesting when Obama took charge with the follow up. McCain looked pissed with that death glare he was giving him. He sounded a tad whiny asking for equal time to me.
[b]McCain: Vladamir Putin = KGB[/b]
wow. its a yes or no question. they are going off ramblin again
[QUOTE=kentatm]that was very interesting when Obama took charge with the follow up. McCain looked pissed with that death glare he was giving him. He sounded a tad whiny asking for equal time to me.[/QUOTE]
each candidate has been alotted 1 response to each answer. that is the rules of the debate.
obama has tried to jump in and get the last word every time, to the point where he had to actually started begging for follow ups because mccain was making good points that obama was desperate to spin or attempt to discredit. thats pretty immature and shows a lack of class and discipline.
but all you saw was mccain being whiney because he wanted the debate to be conducted on equal terms?
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b/c it should be assumed they will get equal time.
its not like Brokaw has been stopping them when they go over either.
and Mac isnt making good points. This has all been practically word for word stuff I have heard them give in countless stump speeches and even the last debate.
Doesn't matter if Obama has less experience. HE IS A SMARTER HUMAN BEING.
Obama wasn't begging for follow-ups. Both were making good points. The immature part is McCain trying to act younger and funny, and making hand/face gestures while Obama is speaking, and trying to put words in Obama's mouth. His writers must be on strike or got laid off due to the economy.
[QUOTE=lefthook00]Doesn't matter if Obama has less experience. HE IS A SMARTER HUMAN BEING.
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So since I'm a smarter human being than you and I prefer McCain to Obama, does that make McCain's candidacy more legitimate than Obama's?
[QUOTE=Denali]So since I'm a smarter human being than you and I prefer McCain to Obama, does that make McCain's candidacy more legitimate than Obama's?[/QUOTE]
Only problem with that statement is the part about you being a smarter human being than anyone. That's laughable.
I missed most of this. But from what I saw, it just sounded like the same old talking points from both. Also didn't like how Obama went into his life story for the 1000th time instead of actually answering the question on what he didn't know and what he'd do to find out
its over.
obama will be our new president