If George Mikan and Jerry West played in today's game, how good would they be?

[QUOTE=Psileas]Hey, if I have the right to say whatever the hell comes to my mind without justifying it, I can also say that Bird would not survive in the 00's.[/QUOTE]

Some trolls do say that. Actually, the scary thing is they may not be trolling. I'm not sure if it's a racist thing or a "I'm 16 and have no idea what I'm talking about" thing. Maybe a little bit of both.

We know if Hedo played in the 80s he could have three MVPs too.

I can understand those who say every player before 1980 would be a scrub. Well, OK, I don't, but at least they're consistent. I don't understand those who try to pick and choose. Like, some of these posters talk about oh, Wilt and Russell and the Big O would own today. But West is a scrub. OK, then I guess every other guard in the league would be a scrub too because West dominated them. But I don't think they want to say Archibald and those others fast black guards are scrubs...

West was more of an athlete than Manu and Nash and they have no trouble blowing past people. It's very confusing.

[QUOTE=stephanieg]Some trolls do say that. Actually, the scary thing is they may not be trolling. I'm not sure if it's a racist thing or a "I'm 16 and have no idea what I'm talking about" thing. Maybe a little bit of both.

We know if Hedo played in the 80s he could have three MVPs too.

I can understand those who say every player before 1980 would be a scrub. Well, OK, I don't, but at least they're consistent. I don't understand those who try to pick and choose. Like, some of these posters talk about oh, Wilt and Russell and the Big O would own today. But West is a scrub. OK, then I guess every other guard in the league would be a scrub too because West dominated them. But I don't think they want to say Archibald and those others fast black guards are scrubs...

West was more of an athlete than Manu and Nash and they have no trouble blowing past people. It's very confusing.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Nailed it.

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]George Mikan is not gonna be better than Jordan/Wilt/Bird/Shaq since he's actually undersized in current NBA as a center(6'10"), but would still be a superstar player and make All-star games every year. [B]For Jerry West, well, I'm telling you he'd still be the 2nd SG in NBA franchise history, better than Kobe.[/B][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

How is this? West isn't even the second best SG ever RIGHT NOW. Here is the order:

Jordan
Kobe
Drexler
Iverson
Gervin
West

West is only the sixth best SG ever. If he played today, he'd be on the same level as Travis Diener and Kirk Hinrich... so how would he be second best all-time when he couldn't even be second at his own position?

And Mikan would not be a superstar today. He'd be a Mark Madsen clone at best.

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]:roll: :roll: :roll:

How is this? West isn't even the second best SG ever RIGHT NOW. Here is the order:

Jordan
Kobe
Drexler
Iverson
Gervin
West

West is only the sixth best SG ever. If he played today, he'd be on the same level as Travis Diener and Kirk Hinrich... so how would he be second best all-time when he couldn't even be second at his own position?

And Mikan would not be a superstar today. He'd be a Mark Madsen clone at best.[/QUOTE]

Can I borrow your crystal ball one day, I want this weeks lotto numbers...

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]:roll: :roll: :roll:

How is this? West isn't even the second best SG ever RIGHT NOW. Here is the order:

Jordan
Kobe
Drexler
Iverson
Gervin
West

West is only the sixth best SG ever. If he played today, he'd be on the same level as Travis Diener and Kirk Hinrich... so how would he be second best all-time when he couldn't even be second at his own position?

And Mikan would not be a superstar today. He'd be a Mark Madsen clone at best.[/QUOTE]

You're a ****ing retard. I hope you accidentally drive your car under a moving freight train.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]You're a ****ing retard. I hope you accidentally drive your car under a moving freight train.[/QUOTE]

This is BULLS / 5 3 2 3 / 3323 etc. etc. you are talking about....

[QUOTE=Manute for Ever!]This is BULLS / 5 3 2 3 / 3323 etc. etc. you are talking about....[/QUOTE]

Oh my bad...

I hope you die a painful death that lasts over 48 hours.

Is that better?

[QUOTE=Manute for Ever!]This is BULLS / 5 3 2 3 / 3323 etc. etc. you are talking about....[/QUOTE]
Who?

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Who?[/QUOTE]

Deez Nuts.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]Deez Nuts.[/QUOTE]
Who are you, kid? Do I know you? Go read some books about the history of the game before you further embarrass yourself.

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Who?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Who are you, kid? Do I know you? Go read some books about the history of the game before you further embarrass yourself.[/QUOTE]

wtf? BULLS, you're an idiot. I knew who you were the second I read your first post. You make outlandish statements, and then love to use :rolleyes: or :roll: a lot.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]wtf? BULLS, you're an idiot. I knew who you were the second I read your first post. You make outlandish statements, and then love to use :rolleyes: or :roll: a lot.[/QUOTE]

And refer to everyone who challenges him as "Kid" as well as stating he owns / has seen a lot of footage from the '60's and '70's. Also, comparing legends of the past to current scrubs is his forte.

[QUOTE=Manute for Ever!]And refer to everyone who challenges him as "Kid" as well as stating he owns / has seen a lot of footage from the '60's and '70's. Also, comparing legends of the past to current scrubs is his forte.[/QUOTE]

And he will NEVER EVER proclaim anything he says as wrong. He could be shown a video of his wife cheating on him with the milkman, and BULLS would always deny it until he died. He's just that stupid.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]And he will NEVER EVER proclaim anything he says as wrong. He could be shown a video of his wife cheating on him with the milkman, and BULLS would always deny it until he died. He's just that stupid.[/QUOTE]

I know it, this is my ISH arch-rival you are talking about here. I don't think I have butted heads with a poster as much as I have with this guy in my time on ISH. :ohwell:

What are you bums talking about? I've never heard of this "BULLS" character, nor have I ever seen him post here. I joined this board in November. You have the wrong guy.

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]What are you bums talking about? I've never heard of this "BULLS" character, nor have I ever seen him post here. I joined this board in November. You have the wrong guy.[/QUOTE]

Whether you're BULLS or not, you suck at logical debates, as evidence to this thread. Sorry, kid.

:confusedshrug:

He [B]is [/B]BULLS. He put me right away in his IL, which only he would do after a single post of mine. So predictable it's not even funny.

(Allow me, though. :oldlol: )

Am I the only one who finds the name "Stiff #1" quite odd?

[QUOTE=Maniak]Am I the only one who finds the name "Stiff #1" quite odd?[/QUOTE]

It's quite appropriate. He gets a hard-on every time Kobe plays against Chicago.

West would be the best player in the game. Mikan would be top 5.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]It's quite appropriate. He gets a hard-on every time Kobe plays against Chicago.[/QUOTE]

How does an 8 year old get these things?

[QUOTE=TmacsRockets]West would be the best player in the game. Mikan would be top 5.[/QUOTE]
West would be as good as J.J. Redick.

Mikan would struggle against Mark Madsen and Brian Cardinal.

[QUOTE=Maniak]How does an 8 year old get these things?[/QUOTE]

It's not even funny, but BULLS is over 29 years old. I have some reasons to believe he is over 35 and actually married. I can only feel terror when I think of that.

Ok people, that's enough. If you can't stay on topic, then GTFO of this thread. Nobody knows who the hell this "BULLS" poster is. If he even exists, just know that I am not him.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]It's not even funny, but BULLS is over 29 years old. I have some reasons to believe he is over 35 and actually married. I can only feel terror when I think of that.[/QUOTE]

That is disturbing....

Who knew society could be [I][U]THIS[/U][/I] stupid?

Wow, how many of these threads has BULLS made. I really don't understand the lockjaw hatred of players from the NBA BDS (Before David Stern).

I'll just ask: Stiff #1, why do you carry such disdain for legendary players that played before the 80's?

[QUOTE=blazerftc]Wow, how many of these threads has BULLS made. I really don't understand the lockjaw hatred of players from the NBA BDS (Before David Stern).

I'll just ask: Stiff #1, why do you carry such disdain for legendary players that played before the 80's?[/QUOTE]

Because they didnt include Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, or Jichael Mordan, duh.

[QUOTE=blazerftc]Wow, how many of these threads has BULLS made. I really don't understand the lockjaw hatred of players from the NBA BDS (Before David Stern).

I'll just ask: Stiff #1, why do you carry such disdain for legendary players that played before the 80's?[/QUOTE]
Who is BULLS?

How is asking a simple question "carrying disdain" for certain players?

Good question.

I think that if West and Mikan played in today's game, they would be decent but man would they get burned.

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Who is BULLS?

How is asking a simple question "carrying disdain" for certain players?[/QUOTE]

It's the tone you set with the question. And of course the part where you answer yourself by saying obviously negative things about the players in question. So, I'll ask again, why do you hate players from before the 80's?

Unlike most members of this forum, I am mature enough not to "hate" any professional athlete. I just asked whether or not two players would be good today.

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Unlike most members of this forum, I am mature enough not to "hate" any professional athlete. I just asked whether or not two players would be good today.[/QUOTE]

Which is then followed by numerous people telling you that you can't just take a player and drop him into the modern league and tell him sink or swim. Mostly because time travel is impossible, but also due to innumerable other factors including differences in coaching, physical training, pay, etc.

The modern league is BUILT on the past, and the accomplishments of these players that you claim would be "scrubs". If you disagree with that, why do we still keep records at all? And, without them there would be no Michael Jordan, no Kobe Bryant, etc.

[QUOTE=blazerftc]Which is then followed by numerous people telling you that you can't just take a player and drop him into the modern league and tell him sink or swim. Mostly because time travel is impossible, but also due to innumerable other factors including differences in coaching, physical training, pay, etc.

The modern league is BUILT on the past, and the accomplishments of these players that you claim would be "scrubs". If you disagree with that, why do we still keep records at all? [B]And, without them there would be no Michael Jordan, no Kobe Bryant, etc[/B].[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:applause:

And you wonder why people think you're a jerk...

[QUOTE=Stiff #1]Alright people, that's enough. Time to stop denying the facts and realize that Jerry West and George Mikan would be nothing more than ass-scratching, ear-picking bums warming the very END of the OKC Thunder bench if they played today.[/QUOTE]

Hey, give Stiff #1 some credit! He waited until post #12 to type this gem and give his actual reason for the post.

Wait - 6 of the first 11 posts were his.?... Never mind. :sleeping

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jerry west = jeff hornacek
george mikan = gheorge muresan

[QUOTE=SRZ66]jerry west = jeff hornacek
george mikan = gheorge muresan[/QUOTE]

i think west would be much better than jeff hornacek if he played in today's era.

i think george mikan wouldn't even play center if he played today.

[QUOTE=MiseryCityTexas]i think west would be much better than jeff hornacek if he played in today's era.

i think george mikan wouldn't even play center if he played today.[/QUOTE]

Of course not, he was 6'10". But, like I was arguing with the OP, how can you be certain what he would play like given how the league has evolved in the past 50+ years?