[quote=Mdog1]Why does Mo Williams always get forgoten? I mean he is the PG for the 3rd best team in the league and is putting up pretty good numbers.[/quote]
He isn't an All Star either.
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[quote=Mdog1]Why does Mo Williams always get forgoten? I mean he is the PG for the 3rd best team in the league and is putting up pretty good numbers.[/quote]
He isn't an All Star either.
Drose is making Rondo look like a child right now
[QUOTE=lilojmayo]Drose is making Rondo look like a child right now[/QUOTE]
rose 14 pt 5ast 3 ot 0 st
rondo 4 pt 15ast 1 ot 4 st:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=lilojmayo]Drose is making Rondo look like a child right now[/QUOTE]
LoL
where you at right now ?? 15 ast >>>>> 14 pts ... not to mention 4 steals :rockon:
[QUOTE=lilojmayo]Drose is making Rondo look like a child right now[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
He fulfills his role very well that is :applause:
This thread = epic fail.
Rondo shouldn't be hailed as the second coming of christ here, but the man is good. What makes him so noteworthy is that he happens to be strong in all the areas a PG ought to be. He's not a superstar because he has his weaknesses. The lack of shooting ability hurts, but he's young yet. He does a great job of getting his guys to trust him. You can't assume he's only good because he has 3 good vets around him. Do you think KG would trust a bad PG enough to hook up for so many alley-oops when he clearly has range that he could use?
Rondo's got extreme quickness, presence of mind, court vision, creativity in his passing, and he's the second best rebounding PG in the league(Jason Kidd is first). He is a perfect fit for his team, since he doesn't have to be a scorer in order to perform. It also helps that his mentality is to take pride in his passing, and not to worry if he doesn't drop 20(or even 4, like tonight) a night.
[QUOTE=GOBB]This thread = epic fail.[/QUOTE]
You're a 40 yr old virgin. Your life=epic fail
[QUOTE=Mississippi]You're a 40 yr old virgin. Your life=epic fail[/QUOTE]
:applause:
This is so true (100000+ posts by GOBB=fails).
Rondo may be overrated, but he fulfills hos role very well. IMO though an All Star caliber PG can shoot consistently past 6 feet.
Rondo isn't an all-star but he might get there for the lack of depth in the East but is he really a role player? I'm not sure if he is just a role player he is very good in many aspects you would want in a starting pg, he is not as limited as some people believe him to be.
Rondo's been doing good this year, not an all-star yet but if he develops a mid-range jumpshot he will have a good chance next year.
[QUOTE=chocolatethunder]No matter how many courts there are Delonte West will never look like an All-Star. Telfair is and always was garbage. Rondo is decent but all of a sudden everyone's on his jock.[/QUOTE]
Well, West is an excellent shooter that can handle the pg role. He may just score as much as the All-Stars on this team because his role on offense would be similar to Ray Allen's. If he's getting 17+ on the best team in the league, he may just sneak in there.
I have no comment on this subject.
[QUOTE=lilojmayo]Drose is making Rondo look like a child right now[/QUOTE]
Another gem by lilojmayo
Rando is getting better is what I will acknowledge.
just to let everyone know.
rondo is used 2 playing with 3 all star caliber players, getting them the ball when they need it most, and setting up plays.
now when he's in the all star game is he going 2 play like this? or be an iverson ballhog. if he knows whats best for him he'll play the same way he does for the celtics. space the floor, pass the ball drive when he can and play some good defence.
Fact is, Rondo has been underrated his whole career.
Until last year
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Well, West is an excellent shooter that can handle the pg role. He may just score as much as the All-Stars on this team because his role on offense would be similar to Ray Allen's. If he's getting 17+ on the best team in the league, he may just sneak in there.[/QUOTE]
Ok calm down for a second. West is a guy that is shooting under 45% for career. That is good, but it's not excellent by any stretch. When he can string together four straight years of shooting 50% from the floor and over 40% from 3, then I'll call him an excellent shooter. As far as being a PG is concerned, I don't need any PGs on my team that average 3.8 assists and 1.6 turnovers.
Arguments based on subjective definitions are always weak. "West is shooting 46%, so he's not 'excellent,' just 'very good!" Whatever.
West averages 3.8 assists playing more sg than pg. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just slanting stats negatively.
[QUOTE=Mississippi]You're a 40 yr old virgin. Your life=epic fail[/QUOTE]
Thats original. Did you google that comeback?
[QUOTE]This is so true (100000+ posts by GOBB=fails).[/QUOTE]
Exagerrate much?
[QUOTE=GOBB]Thats original. Did you google that comeback?
[/QUOTE]
Yeah as if "this tread=fail" was first used last night. :rolleyes:
For those who want to see how Rondo played with out an all-star on his team look at his rookie year as a starter in 25 games he avg.
10.6 ppg
5.8 apg
5.4 rpg
2.4 spg
47.4 FG%
if he could do that as a rookie with Al Jefferson and Ryan Gomes as his best players why couldn't he put up better numbers now as a 3rd year player.
[QUOTE=Mississippi]Yeah as if "this tread=fail" was first used last night. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
What you wrote was something you made up. A lie. What I typed was the truth. Your thread is a failure. Rondo being overrated? Yeah he sure looked that way this season especially last night. Problem with you and other idiots on this msgboard? A couple posters prop, give praise to a player. And you are lookin for things to disagree on, to discredit or find flaw with. So your counter is the opposite of praise. Its making up nonsense with no basis.
Rondo has never been ranked higher than what many have him. PG is one of the most difficult transitions along with C when entering the pro game as a rookie. Let alone a starter. Rondo did a great job thus far dispite his shooting/lack of range woes. He'll continue to improve/develop and the clowns here wanna use the Big 3 as some sort of reason why he looks good. Sorry KG, Pierce nor Allen help this kid make the right decisions. They dont help him penetrate to the basket, push the rock keeping defenders on thier heels. They dont allow him to be a good defensive PG either.
If anything they make his offense not as important where he isnt dependant on scoring. Guy does everything else well and did so in college. You notice how i can briefly disect your weak thread? Your topic is a failure.
Now sit there, fabricate some tall tales for your response. Prove me right that I speak the truth, supply facts whereas you? You pass gas when typing. And quite frankly? It stinks. :no:
[QUOTE=MMM]For those who want to see how Rondo played with out an all-star on his team look at his rookie year as a starter in 25 games he avg.
10.6 ppg
5.8 apg
5.4 rpg
2.4 spg
47.4 FG%
if he could do that as a rookie with Al Jefferson and Ryan Gomes as his best players why couldn't he put up better numbers now as a 3rd year player.[/QUOTE]
Todd Day put up 16ppg one year and was out of the league shortly after. I can list all sorts of players you've probably never heard of that have had good years here and there, and sucked after.
To assume that someone's going to just keep getting better year after year is ignorance at its best.
Hell, look at Antoine Walker.
Mathius
[QUOTE=GOBB]What you wrote was something you made up. A lie. What I typed was the truth. Your thread is a failure. Rondo being overrated? Yeah he sure looked that way this season especially last night. Problem with you and other idiots on this msgboard? A couple posters prop, give praise to a player. And you are lookin for things to disagree on, to discredit or find flaw with. So your counter is the opposite of praise. Its making up nonsense with no basis.
Rondo has never been ranked higher than what many have him. PG is one of the most difficult transitions along with C when entering the pro game as a rookie. Let alone a starter. Rondo did a great job thus far dispite his shooting/lack of range woes. He'll continue to improve/develop and the clowns here wanna use the Big 3 as some sort of reason why he looks good. Sorry KG, Pierce nor Allen help this kid make the right decisions. They dont help him penetrate to the basket, push the rock keeping defenders on thier heels. They dont allow him to be a good defensive PG either.
If anything they make his offense not as important where he isnt dependant on scoring. Guy does everything else well and did so in college. You notice how i can briefly disect your weak thread? Your topic is a failure.
Now sit there, fabricate some tall tales for your response. Prove me right that I speak the truth, supply facts whereas you? You pass gas when typing. And quite frankly? It stinks. :no:[/QUOTE]
Finally!
A thoughtful response.
I too wonder why posters on this messageboard seem to bash players other then their favorites.
Rondo is a great player, maybe not an all-star but he can be a solid NBA player. Labelling a NBA player a all-star means actually nothing considering there is a chance Yi might sneak in there. What means something in this league is getting voted in the All-NBA team.
[QUOTE=Mathius]Todd Day put up 16ppg one year and was out of the league shortly after. I can list all sorts of players you've probably never heard of that have had good years here and there, and sucked after.
To assume that someone's going to just keep getting better year after year is ignorance at its best.
Hell, look at Antoine Walker.
Mathius[/QUOTE]
I'm not assuming he gets better and better I'm just showing what Rondo did without 3 all-stars on his team as a rookie PG. A lot of Rondo's doubters question his ability without the big 3 unfairly imo when just 2 seasons ago he has solid stats as a rookie. Now in his 3rd year has progressed especially on the defensive end so why do people claim the big 3 make him look good or hide his weak points. Rondo's game is good in every area besides shooting yet people continue to harp on that instead of the other 6-7 things he does at a high level.
obviously he is overrated. This guy is playing with three future HOF guys. What has he accomplished on an individual level on this team? He doesn't have to do anything and will be regarded as one of the top 10 pgs in this league...he is far from that in truth.
[QUOTE=Mathius]Todd Day put up 16ppg one year and was out of the league shortly after. I can list all sorts of players you've probably never heard of that have had good years here and there, and sucked after.
To assume that someone's going to just keep getting better year after year is ignorance at its best.
Hell, look at Antoine Walker.
Mathius[/QUOTE]
Are you comparing a very young Rondo to Walker, who actually improved a few years and Todd Day, who everybody actually expected to become very good? For every player who did not improve you can name as many who did. I'm not saying Rondo will become a star, but he's shown enough to say he's at least a above average starter.
[QUOTE=loot]Are you comparing a very young Rondo to Walker, who actually improved a few years and Todd Day, who everybody actually expected to become very good? For every player who did not improve you can name as many who did. I'm not saying Rondo will become a star, but he's shown enough to say he's at least a above average starter.[/QUOTE]
I'm not comparing anyone. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of his logic to just assume that 3 years in the league means natural progression.
Mathius
[QUOTE=bada bing]obviously he is overrated. [B]This guy is playing with three future HOF guys.[/B] What has he accomplished on an individual level on this team? He doesn't have to do anything and will be regarded as one of the top 10 pgs in this league...he is far from that in truth.[/QUOTE]
in his rookie year he played with another big 3 Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes and look what he did :banghead:
[QUOTE=Mathius]I'm not comparing anyone. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of his logic to just assume that 3 years in the league means natural progression.
Mathius[/QUOTE]
my point was not assuming he is progressing but that he is virtually the same player with or without the Big 3 for those who argue the big 3 make him look good they are flat out wrong.
[QUOTE=Mathius]I'm not comparing anyone. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of his logic to just assume that 3 years in the league means natural progression.
Mathius[/QUOTE]
Everybody assumes a player progresses in his 3rd year. If players, [I]especially starters[/I], do no progress people will be amazed. It's expected from players and especially starters. I don't see what's so absurd here, let's be realistic. You picked Todd Day, you couldve thrown in Pooh Richardson and them too, but those players were also expected to improve. I can understand it if you'll tell us players are not expected to improve when they're 27 yeras old, like David West's progression was a bit of a surprise to most. But expecting a 22 year old Rondo to imrpove from what he was last year?
That's normal, and I'm not talking about stats.
This guy is learning to play by training with some of the best in the league, proven players, he's getting tons of experience by playing extended minutes and going deep into the playoffs, leanring how it is to play under pressure by actually being there on the field during crunch time, making important decisions, handling the ball, being one of the focal points in setting up plays and having a clearly defined role within the starting five.
You don't expect those things to actually improve him as a player? He might never become a 17/9 player with great shooting, but if all those things don't factor in and enable him to grow on what he was this summer, something is clearly very wrong.
someone is angry at celtics' success. put him on suicide watch when they win it all this year
[QUOTE=loot]Everybody assumes a player progresses in his 3rd year. If players, [I]especially starters[/I], do no progress people will be amazed. It's expected from players and especially starters. I don't see what's so absurd here, let's be realistic. You picked Todd Day, you couldve thrown in Pooh Richardson and them too, but those players were also expected to improve. I can understand it if you'll tell us players are not expected to improve when they're 27 yeras old, like David West's progression was a bit of a surprise to most. But expecting a 22 year old Rondo to imrpove from what he was last year?
That's normal, and I'm not talking about stats.[/QUOTE]
That's not "normal." You can go back through history and look at guys who've had good rookie seasons or second years, and then completely digressed. There is no "normal" in the NBA.
Try watching for a few decades and then get back to me on the definition of NBA "normal."
Mathius
[QUOTE=Mathius]That's not "normal." You can go back through history and look at guys who've had good rookie seasons or second years, and then completely digressed. There is no "normal" in the NBA.
Try watching for a few decades and then get back to me on the definition of NBA "normal."
Mathius[/QUOTE]
List the guys who played big roles on Championship teams or teams as good as the Celtics as SOPHOMORES who 'completely digressed'. Or just throw me a list of players who started and played big roles on good teams who totally digressed. Just for the last ten years. Should be easy.
The fact you have to look for them proves it's rather an exception than a rule. Saying it doesn't happen is a lie, but now you're just blatantly trying to cover up some unfounded ranting for the sake of ranting.
Don't give me this decades stuff since you know it's just bull****, you busted another fuse in here because that's your 'cool' thing to do, I know it's your thing and that's what you're known for (aside from the signature), sure you have to do it every now and then just to make sure we won't forget about you. But just make sure it's at the right time and place. Don't go Ricky D on us.
[QUOTE=loot]List the guys who played big roles on Championship teams or teams as good as the Celtics as SOPHOMORES who 'completely digressed'. Or just throw me a list of players who started and played big roles on good teams who totally digressed. Just for the last ten years. Should be easy. [/QUOTE]
Give me a list of all those stupid PF's the Bulls drafted all those years like Corie Blount, Dickey Simpkins, and Byron Houston, etc. that were SOO promising their first couple years before people realized they just plain suck ass. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]The fact you have to look for them proves it's rather an exception than a rule. Saying it doesn't happen is a lie, but now you're just blatantly trying to cover up some unfounded ranting for the sake of ranting.
Don't give me this decades stuff since you know it's just bull****, you busted another fuse in here because that's your 'cool' thing to do, I know it's your thing and that's what you're known for (aside from the signature), sure you have to do it every now and then just to make sure we won't forget about you. But just make sure it's at the right time and place. Don't go Ricky D on us.[/QUOTE]
It's not bullsh*t just because you choose to not accept it. In 20 years or more of watching the NBA, I've found that making predictions or trying to prove a trend is a waste of time. Did it make any sense for Elton Brand to skip town when he was supposed to make such a badass tandem with Baron Davis? Did it make sense for Memphis to ship out Pau Gasol to the Lakers of all places? Did anyone predict Devin Harris would be this good? Did anyone predict Jason Kidd would fall off as quick as he has?
Those are just things that happened in the last year or so.
Mathius
[QUOTE=Mississippi]Not saying he's a bad player or anything, but he's definitely not what he's hyped up to be. I've been hearing people saying that he's an allstar this year and I think that is ridiculous. Hell I think Sebastian Telfair, Delonte West and Allen Ray would look like allstars next to Garnett, Pierce and Allen. At least those three guards can actually shoot the ball. Rondo passes up on so many open looks which he should be taken. Maybe I haven't seen enough to really say, but from what I've seen he's nowhere near an allstar caliber guard just yet.[/QUOTE]
:lol
Allan Ray... That's funny.
Players improve when they have great players to play along side of them - no different with Rondo, except that he plays along side of 3 great players. He has phenomenal court vision and is a superstar in the making.
[QUOTE=Mathius]Give me a list of all those stupid PF's the Bulls drafted all those years like Corie Blount, Dickey Simpkins, and Byron Houston, etc. that were SOO promising their first couple years before people realized they just plain suck ass. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
None of those players you mentioned compares to Rondo. None of them played such a big role and heavy minutes for good teams. :confusedshrug: It should be easy, the way you bring it. I'm still waiting for names.